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So I wouldn’t say strictly speaking abnormal is evil.

But In this context homosexuality has historically been outside the norm because the population generally followed natural law in regarding sex. In that sex is for procreation. Making a deviation from the natural law abnormal.

Even if homosexuality becomes completely normal which it basically has, it wouldn’t have any bearing on its deviation from natural law and therefore it’s morality.

It’s homosexuality evil? Well it’s a sin, and sin meaning to miss the mark. There are many reasons this sin is destructive to society and to individuals. Are the fruits of this particular sin evil, most definitely. Are the people committing the sin evil? That depends but on the person. We’re all sinners but to what degree, how much disorder do our sins produce?

l0k1 2y ago

Sin is from the latin meaning "without" or "lacking". It is used to refer to a debt as well as a flaw.

One of the central principles that you learn from the most famous game theory problem that Satoshi talked about being solved by cryptographic signatures, the Byzantine Generals Problem, for which more than a few things have been named "Byzantine Fault Tolerant" or BFT.

The key insight of this theory is basically that malice and error are impossible to distinguish between without discovering the intent of the individuals making the erroneous acts.

In simple terms, everyone makes mistakes, but evil people do things that would be considered mistakes, and they aim to promote others making mistakes as well.

This is why I say that trying to normalise the abnormal is literally the definition of evil. Evil means spreading errors, deliberately, in order to profit from them.

Those who merely tolerate the errors, are patsies, victims, cultists, and other variants of fool.

It is still not ok to tolerate errors even if it is true that oneself also commits errors. It is a worse error than direct errors because it enables evil.

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lex 2y ago

Such an excellent distinction.

Kendy 2y ago

For both of you, the same question that Laser never answered (I misspelled *love as live tbf):

There is a nonzero probability your children or grandchildren grow up to be confidently homosexual and never look back. No matter what sort of “perfect” or controlled environment you tried to raise them in. Will/would you honestly love them the same as you would heterosexual offspring?

lex 2y ago

In short yes.

To love is to will the good of the other. - St. Thomas Aquinas.

Would I be willing his good to accept or promote his sin, that is separating him from God and causing disorder for him personally (physically, spiritually, mentally). Obviously not.

Same with any sin my kids would choose to partake in.

Kendy 2y ago

>Would I be willing his good to accept or promote his sin, that is separating him from God and causing disorder for him personally (physically, spiritually, mentally). Obviously not.

This is confusing me, no matter how many times I read it. Is Aquinas’ definition of love very similar to the definition you developed from the life you’ve lived so far?

You would love your offspring, but you would obviously not accept his sin? Or did I get that wrong?

lex 2y ago

Yes, that correct.

I can’t condone an action that is harmful to anyone that I truly love.

lex 2y ago

Does that make sense?

lex 2y ago

To you other question about my experience. Yes, the people who truly love me try to correct me when they see im traveling into a dead end, even if it’s hard to discuss or seems to me to be unkind. The people who don’t would just not say anything, or accept my errors.

Kendy 2y ago

Yes.

How about the scenario that someone’s father not accepting them for who they are is more harmful than your subjective “causing disorder”?

lex 2y ago

When you say accepting them, you mean accepting their lifestyle choices?

The biggest lie that’s been promoted on the topic is that this is “who you are”, “this is your identity”. It’s so insidious. It would be like saying to an alcoholic “this is who you are”, if people don’t accept your alcoholism they don’t accept you.

But It would be the job of the father to handle it with grace and love, but to firm on this position for the sake of his son.

The son also has a roll to play, if he believes the lie above, then he’s almost guaranteed to distance himself from his father.

The damage here is not being caused by the father if he handles it with grace and love.

Kendy 2y ago

I can tell you cannot fathom what a homosexual is and have never communicated with one in depth. Alcoholism is comparable to homosexuality? WOW, you have no clue.

Maybe if you attempted to understand them with compassion, empathy, and long form communication instead of writing them off with scripture and quotes…

What is “the lie above” you referenced?

lex 2y ago

Lol I have two younger brothers who are gay. This is the approach I take with them, I love them very much and we have great relationships. I can’t condone their lifestyle though, but I can love them because they are much more than where they like to sick their dick.

Kendy 2y ago

That’s redeeming news. I’m glad you can love them no matter who they love.

lex 2y ago

Bro this is what I’m talking about. This is the lie, which you have swallowed.

They are people first made in the image of God. They aren’t homosexuals that happen to be people. They are people who have chosen to sin a particular way, no different than me.

Kendy 2y ago

Please clarify what this lie is?

lex 2y ago

The lie promulgated by state sponsored propaganda is that they are somehow “born this way” or “this is just who they are”. So we just need to “just love them for who they are”, which really means be accepting of their lifestyle.

There is no heritable genetic component to homosexuality.

lex 2y ago

They want you to use the mental framework you have for race and overlay homosexuality.

Kendy 2y ago

I agree there is zero traceable, correlative, heritable component.

It sounds like you’re implying a false binary. The “lifestyle” can arrive from non-heritable mechanisms. I believe a combination of entropy and environment can result in homosexuality. With no clear weighting/ratio recipe. I do think that environment-influences can EASILY get evil and manipulative. Example being Target’s child swimwear stunt this past June.

lex 2y ago

Yes, there is a choice that happens in the individual but there are varying degrees of the amount of free will exercised in that choice depending external influences.

Side point: There is a weird idea that once you decide to be gay you can never not be gay. Makes zero sense.

Kendy 2y ago

Yeah I agree that makes zero sense.

If it’s not too personal, may I ask if you’ve spoken to either or both of your brothers about the first time they felt a hint of attraction towards males?

Junseth 2y ago

lol

DRE 2y ago

Something to keep in mind is that having a proclivity or desire is not the same as acting on those desires. Being homosexual is not a sin. Acting on those desires is what’s consideres a sin. Any christian can love (will the good) of a homosexual while also encouraging them not to act on their desires

lex 2y ago

Correct, I would add that the function that controls these desired has the ability to be corrupted. (Ie weird internet porn fetiches). No one is born with the desire to jack off to hentai porn.

Kendy 2y ago

😂

lex 2y ago

Lol