Is it just me or does Rabble sound too enthusiastic about integrating censorship into Nostr. We won't change the world, if we keep complying to the nanny state.
Discussion
I also came away from that talk deeply disturbed. Bowing down to the same standards that all the other forms of media do will just remove my reason for being here.
You can be against the most vile content without believing in central authority being used to censor it. Block lists exist for a reason.
Exactly was also for me quite shocking too see how willing he seems to push censorship. Looked almost like he can't wait to see it coming asap. But I'm certain that most of us here won't support this direction. I'll definitely stop using every client etc. which actively pushes such stuff.
This happens to every platform that Twitter refugees leave. They ruined mastodon with Censorship and divided it. The same users here wanted distributed block lists.
Here is what the future of Nostr will look like:
I came away from the presentation with this:
#nostrica
I agree with you. You can have safety or freedom, but not both.
People left Twitter because they found out the rules they wanted ended up being used against themselves, then they came to ActivityPub and did the same thing again.
People need to learn to live with disagreement.
I’ve had ppl multiple ppl report me as spam here for disagreeing with their opinions on crypto, so I’m hoping the ones actually working on nostr itself are actually trying to make it censorship resistant.
Come to https://poster.place and be free. I am done with nostr
T'was fun while it lasted.
Shutting down your relay, presumably?
Imagine thinking you’re free on fedi.
There won't be any distinction soon if maxifags get their way.
Did you watch the talk they’re referring to?
Don't use YouTube (I use LibreTube) on my phone so I have no DVR access, but I have no doubt censorship was touted as a feature or referred to as "effective moderation" since every client seems to be headed in a "no more hurt feelings" direction after Alex brought about Mostr.
Ironic from ppl that don’t shut up about how bitcoin is “uncensorable”.
Who is rabble and what’s the context? Do you have a link to the talk?
Currently live so scroll back to approx -5:07:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6YQQC5Q_5g
Thank you, I can’t rn but I will later. Who is Rabble though?
Never heard of him before, I'm a know-nothing meme folder, I just dip into The Discourse, unfortunately;)
Yep, I agree with yas.
Yeah, he seems too ready to go down the censorship route. I got the same vibe from a recent podcast he was on as well. He has a major hang up about that one troll incident. I just blocked everyone involved with that and it fixed the issue.
Exactly, people should grow up and stop crying for censorship whenever they don't like something. If you feel trolled etc. block the person and go on. If you're not able to do this, stick to censored services ike Twitter.
Something something sticks and stones 🤙
I suppose he was saying that nos social will be like this, but you can just not use it and you can even build something different out of it. On the other hand it might be setting some sort of trend of how things are built. I'm not sure. I'm not smart enough to know enough. I just came away from the presentation with mixed feelings.
Yes, checked out his client website and it sounds absolutely like they push censorship. So won't try or recommend this client.
Maybe I suppose it felt quite dated, 'straight white males' mention for example. It was all bordering on 'safe space'. But skirting around the term. I think everyone is tired of culture war terms, it's a trapped loop culture is stuck on for yonks now. Pro or anti I feel like everyone is tired of it. What's wrong with a mute button?
Absolutely. The presentation as a whole was great. He has some great knowledge and new ideas, but I feel differently on heavy handed content moderation. It will start as something to stop death and rape threats, but will quickly turn into a tool to silence speech that someone doesn't like.
Different clients will have different policies, and it will play out in the real world. I just hope Nostr doesn't turn into another censored echo chamber for some people, while offering freedom to others.
Look at the fediverse to do understand what this will lead to.
Nostr has become cucked by the community it attracted, and those all in on free speech will only be able to push back for so long.
I'm staying here regardless, up until I'm forced off.
Currently: Why can't you just mute a user, why does it have to be 'reported as inappropriate'? You might want to mute content just cos you don't care. I've found some 'show anyway' posts which I assumed must be a spam bot, but turned out to just be a user (who I assume) multiple people blocked. I couldn't even unblock them to see what their notes feed was like. Maybe I was using this wrong, just a noob
On Damus you can block users.
I'm on amethyst and you can block/report, but I feel like a Mute function is needed maybe. It feels like blocklists are already here? And it's not just for spam accounts which would be fine. Again, I'm new and I can be reading it all wrong
When I block a user it only affects me. The blocked person can still see my notes and comment etc. but I will just see 'This is from a user you've blocked' and if I want I can then click on it to see the message. At least for me, that's all I need. I'm an adult and decide on my own what I want to see and what not. Don't need moderation to "protect" me.
I agree. Again the issue isn't with nos social, it sounds like we just won't use it. But I'm more curious if this is a wider trend. What is nos social other than a curated block list? Do I really want to research founders to see if they will curate a block list? I suspect in this particular example he would find things offensive which I wouldn't or would have no opinion on even. Only really significant as a wider trend, but curious
If you watch the Nostrica stream, you'll see that he is eager to implement broad censorship; enforced via relays and clients asap.
I see, I probably didn't understand enough. My vague impression was of a social network which was actually more restrictive than current twitter, so why bother being here if that were to come about(?)
More restrictive than Twitter?
I mean what he described as his client sounded like it would probably block a lot of what is currently allowed on twitter
Possible. I think it's just important that we as freedom of speech supporting community speak up and vote by ingoring anything that's goes this route.
You'd think/hope that this would be guaranteed, but who knows.
I don't expect you to know but it made me think in the scenario proposed what if I were following a wide variety of users, one/some of which are on this Curated Offensive Blocklist, would this add me to it by connection..? Anyway, it sounds a bit shitty and hopefully has little/no support
At the rate we're seeing butthurt Bitcoin maxis implementing or suggesting censorship methods in clients and programs built on top of Nostr because fediverse users and Nostriches burned by crypto's bullshit called them out shows that any decentralized technology should be made either as inaccessible as possible or easy to use only if you aren't a retard only capable of using a smartphone.
Bitcoin maxis are their own worst enemy, and they further make themselves more hated each passing day. I'm only using Amethyst to quote posts since no other client has the native ability to do so. Once Plebstr adds this capability, I'll use it up and until they pull the bullshit Amethyst and now Rabble are pulling.
If this becomes the norm, I'll leave Nostr like I did DeSo: without looking back.
#[0]
I felt like he's mainly concerned about nostr apps being removed from app store. But the thing is the apps shouldn't be on the app store in the first place...
#[3]
He's concerned if "we" don't "censor" apps gonna be removed from the app stores.
There are fedi apps on the App Store and there’s a lot more offensive and potentially illegal content there.
Maybe. However despite rabble's extreme examples of Isis and death threats, his description of 'those who silence', can be interpreted very widely. What about people who get called or gold views along the lines of conservatives, terfs, reactionary feminists, people sceptical of open borders, pro-life.. etc etc
Perhaps I am jumping to conclusions but I suspect he *could* lump these people into that category. No idea
Here’s a thread discussing it if you’re interested. #[4]
Are we live, laugh, love, Pura Vida, positive vibes only-ing into censorship? 🤔
(I hope not).
Boosting for discussion:
#[0]
It is great, except for this part #[3]
Also just to add.. I know it hasn't even been released, but nossocial seemed very dubious, just going off their nostrica talk. Which I remember everyone going yippee yay what a great talk at the time, and I thought wtf I can't be the only one who just heard this massively pro censorship talk, and looked up to see if wasn't alone.
#[1]