i am hearing that knots influencers are claiming “nostr divided bitcoin”
after spending the last year accusing the entire bitcoin technical community of being pedos
retarded level of cognitive dissonance
cry me a fucking river, bitcoin is the best money and nostr is rising
The knots crowd is just normalizing the idea that some txns must be censored, and that leads to miner regulation.
I think you have a false idea of what knots does.. knots is completely agnostic to what a transaction contains. It simply sets a limit on the SIZE of the transaction.
The best money in the world doesn't need to be a file storage service to be money..
I know what Knots is, I was apart of that crowd. The implementation isn't the problem, its the people in the knots camp who are the problem.
I can't really speak for everyone in a community, but running BIP110 is the only (current) option for anyone who disagrees with what Core did.
I really don't want my node to be file storage for people who aren't using Bitcoin as money.
I'm happy storing any any all monetary transactions, but arbitrary files that are unrelated to monetary transfer? Absolutely not
We used to be able to manage this through policy, but Core removed that, so consensus is our only practical option at the moment
My consistent argument for why I choose knots and am leaning pro-110 is because spam is also a form of censorship, with a much larger area of collateral damage than what Knots proposes. This one transaction below highlights that you can censor MANY transactions with one abuse of the inscription bug, easily. If people are arguing that limiting this type of transaction is censorship, then I'm arguing it actually frees up room for thousands of real people to transact. It's objectively spam and before Core 30 was thought of as so. I never called core people pedophiles or hopped on board the "legal argument" train. I just think the direction regarding spam that core has gone and miners have gone, is bad for bitcoin and more people should consider we can put an end to it if we get together on this issue.
Thank god we can just ignore and build
Imagine thinking a few dozen social media accounts can ruin bitcoin, absolute hubris
Amen 🙏
Oversimplified. But it will prevail as the leading train of thought.
You're absolutely right, BTC is indeed the best money.
But your concept of "the entire Bitcoin technical community" ignores the fact that there is another "entire group" that disagrees with what Core developers are doing.. Core is allowing Bitcoin to deviate from its function of being money by forcing my node to act as a permanent Dropbox for people who aren't using it as money..
BIP110 corrects this, and returns Bitcoin to being the best money.
I have no opinion on nostr.
If you think people are using bitcoin as a drop box, then nothing about bip110 fixes the issue. Anyone who is willing to go through the process and expense to use bitcoin in this manner is not going to be stopped by the changes. You can still store as much data on chain as you want in a post 110 world. It will be slightly less practical.
On the downside you will prove that a retarded influence campaign can modify Bitcoin.
Thanks for the ad hominem 👍
The whole point is to make it less practical.
The policy filters were doing a halfway decent job of keeping spam out.. it wasn't 100% effective, but it at least created a barrier against low effort spam.
But Core rolled out the red carpet and now even allows the low effort spam in.
Think of it like an ad-blocker. They're not 100%, but they do a decent job. It's better than NOT having an ad-blocker... The problem is that the entire node network needs to run the filter for it to work.
There have been zero large op returns in January….because large op returns are not desirable.
I just checked my node. Here are the violations according to the BIP110 rules for January 2026:
Witness element over 256 b: 0.2428%
Output over 34 b: 0.117%
Taproot annex: 0.0009%
Data push over 256 b: 0.0005%
Op_return over 83 b: 0.0005%
Control block over 257 b: 0%
The total sum of bytes over these limits is 681 Mb this month. 99.8% of that excess came from inscriptions.
It sure would be nice if the excess data was in a provably unspendable and prunable part of the ecosystem.
You cannot stop transactions you don’t want. They can simply make them smaller and more numerous which ironically will bloat the chain even more.
Forcing them to split the witness elements across many transactions increases the cost of spamming the network. That would mean fewer people do it. It also means more money for miners.
The biggest win would be that it would effectively kill the image/audio/video inscriptions. Only the text based inscriptions would be practical after being split.
But ultimately the point is to send a message to them that non monetary transactions aren't welcome. But instead Core chose to open the doors for them.
If money for miners is a consideration than encouraging spam should be the policy. You can’t have that argument and be anti spam. Splitting the transactions doesn’t stop images and video. Data is data. If a video has to be compiled from a million transactions it is trivial to design a system that does that.
From my perspective I much rather have data in op return that can be ignored than to have millions of transactions that can’t. I do not believe sending a signal that Bitcoin doesn’t like spam is going to change anything. I don’t think changing this stuff actually matters all that much. Feels like virtue signaling at best.
Imagine what the transaction cost would be on sending a video in a single transaction instead of 1000 transactions. That sounds like a deterrent to me.
You could use the entire block in. Single transaction and you would have a video of less than 4mb at a cost of over 3k usd. To do the same thing in 10000 transactions across several blocks the cost would be 2x to 2.5x more expensive and. cause 30% more chain bloat. In the end it’s a short low quality video that’s impractical beyond novelty. Having it broken into small pieces doesn’t change anything beyond the cost and bloat.
I guess you have to ask yourself if 30% more chain bloat is a reasonable trade off for your virtue signal?
They are simply following the fiat playbook… thanks Jack and co
Multiple node implementations are a good thing for Bitcoin. Any single point of failure should be seen as a possible risk to Bitcoin.
And yet the Core developers have created a cabal where no one can have any influence on the protocol except them. They block people from commenting on the email chain and on their git if they don't like it.
And then as soon as another node implementation starts gaining traction, they start spewing fud about it so they can hold onto their power.
I admit i'm still learning the knots implementation so I can't comment on that without having some knowledge on the matter but giving people optionality to decide for themselves what to run keeps everyone honest and in check for the values Satoshi laid out.
I will be spending more time reviewing knots code, how its maintained, etc.
There's a lot of rhetoric flying around, but underneath all that, this is what Knots is about:
Core used to have a mempool policy which set a default limit on certain field sizes... Since most people ran the default settings, it worked and allowed the mempool to (mostly) keep people from abusing the blockchain by using it to store data unrelated to monetary transactions.
But Core chose to remove that policy filter. This fundamentally changed Bitcoin from being a monetary network to being a file storage network..
Knots is a response to that change. Knots restored the field size limits as part of consensus code so it can't be removed..
Knots has no intention of filtering legitimate transactions of any kind, it just caps field sizes to prevent it from being used as anything other than pure money.
Fed
“why won’t they have productive dialogue with us”
Look, I know your game. Spend hours talking nonsense FUD about Quantum (nobody cares) and never addresses the real problem: that your funded boys turning the reference client in a liability for us, the real node runners. Who is making this sissy claiming about Nostr? Who cares? The reality is that you don´t have nothing, not once argument, to defend this atrocity, nor you or anibody in the Core side. So BIP 110 my friend. The battle is at the consensus level. I said it and I say this again, V30 is the nail in the coffin for all of you. By the way, if you were coopted and you and your love ones are at risk, my apologies in advance.
The problem with saying one side is co-opted is that the other side could be, too, and neither is verifiable.
core centralization is a concern and is being improved without a consensus change
spammers can get around bip 110 restrictions and it sets a precedent for utxo seizures, the "temporary" aspect is a fucking scam because it just means you will have to do it again in a year, or admit it was all a waste of time in the first place, it is a soft fork being pushed without anywhere close to consensus, so it will either result in a chain split or die due to apathy
Chain split? So be it. Concern about utxo size? Support the cat. The only honest spammer apologiest was J. Lopp, who said that the only reason for removing the limit was an extreme rare use case for Citrea. Don't take us for fools please.
> Chain split? So be it.
i do not think v30 should have been pushed through but it was not a
protocol change to bitcoin, it was a change to default node policy of those who choose to upgrade
fuck citrea but they launched and dont even use it
i have never supported a contentious change to bitcoin, but you do
Well, I never thought a chain split could happen with this UASF, but now that I sense your fear, I really hope it does.
Think of it this way: if something like that happens, the Saylors, Finks, Mallers with Strike and 21, and the entire universe of shitcoin companies playing fiat games will align themselves with Core Blockchain. You'll have the developers you deserve, measuring the dirtcoin in dollars and probably millons of them.
On the other hand, we'll have a small group defending cyberpunk ethics, measuring in sats.
I like the idea. Don't forget that we, the despised masses, thanks to idiots like Gloria and the other progressive eunuchs, have nothing to lose.
I think that concludes our little debate. Let the market decide.
"Interesting points! It's always good to have diverse perspectives on these complex topics. While concerns about centralization and spamming are valid, I believe ongoing discussions and improvements can lead to innovative solutions. Let’s keep the dialogue open and explore all angles! #CryptoCommunity"
Nostr is sybil resistant That’s very frustrating for knots inflooencers.
While on X 🙄
Knots derangers do not understand that their local relay policy does not affect global bitcoin network and only economic incentive matter because it crushes their local relay policy
That’s why we have sub sat summer to this day bypassing your local relay policy settings
Relay policy is not a consensus of global network
It actually does but the percentage of the network running it should be strong majority.
In any case Bitcoin Knots keeps MY mempool free of spam and if I mine a block with MY BitAxe it will be free of spam.
BIP110 on the other hand reduces the ability to abuse Bitcoin with spam on consensus level.
😂 so called spam is already stored on knots because knots is core with restrictive relay policy, which is proven to be bypassed and your bitaxe pointed at someone else’s stratum server will do what that pool operator dictates and how they construct block templates.
If you point your bitaxe at your own node+stratum server then why would you reject fees and get rewarded less by filtering what you call spam and even if you do get lucky some other miner will put so called spam right after your unspamed free block and you didn’t solve anything.
I mine solo with DATUM, Bitcoin Knots + BIP110 and my BitAxe.
Bitcoin is Freedom Money. NOT ARNITRARY DATABASE.
Also spam fees are negligible. Spam is disgusting too. Educate yourself.
It’s always been amusing to me that the knots influencers don’t like or use Nostr, given Nostr is the largest community of people who use bitcoin as money every single day.
all larp no action
Same as shitcoiners that ignore lightning exist and works.
We do use NOSTR but you very likely ignore or mute them.
I only mute bots on Nostr, and I only block bots on X. Although I know many knots influencers have blocked me on X and probably muted me on Nostr.
Bullish signal for nostr if someone seriously thinks it has that much influence
We are so bored this is what we're talking about.
We need real problems 😂
Literally a fictitious post. Maybe one guy said something but it’s not a widely held belief or even close to that.
Hes a social media influencer, so everything has to be about dividing and pitting sides against each other for interaction
I like Nostr , am I a socially divisive toxic maxi psychopath ? Oh I do hope so 😉
Bitcoin is proof that you can give people drama free money and they will still create drama
well said
For those of us that are not as deep into the weeds as you are Matt, do you run core or do your run knots? Any recommendations or podcasts were you discussed this?
i run core 29
there is a lot of work being done on libbitcoinkernel which should make it much easier to offer consensus valid alternative implementations
more choices for node operators is strictly better, opensats is focused on this
Please don’t take any more funds from Jack Dorsey for open sats.
Thank you.
we have not
he has no control of opensats
and i remain grateful for his donation, it has been a grind getting sizeable donations
Why do some people crush on him so much? Dude seems pretty based for the position he is in.
Could it be…
He was working work the government to censor user on Twitter…
He’s constantly using black rock money in his businesses to promote and push kyc in his companies btc offerings…
He’s actively trying to change sats to bits…
He’s actively producing asics and runs a mining pool that’s employing the knots team who is actively promoting division between the community and trying to implement chain forks with their implementation of the protocol…
Yo nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpr9mhxue69uhhqun9d45h2mfwwpexjmtpdshxuet59uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsj65adx did you see this? X is at it again with the fakes
BTC would be at $3billion each had we all kept MySpace. #Fact
Rising... more like leavened bread than a rocket... but still rising. LFG!.
gradually then suddenly
Good. Division is our strength. The better question is why aren't there 19 different node implementations instead of 2?
takes time, money, and manpower
but a bunch of us are working on distributing protocol dev and increasing options
Valid. And i know Jack shit about this subject so don't take it like I'm saying that with any authority whatsoever.
Not just "knots influencers," youre certainly doing plenty of dividing yourself
how so
trying my best, open to improvement
This post lol
this post is a response to others attacking me first
i will not back down to assholes, asshole
There are knots influencers?
There are influential bitcoiners who support running knots. Meanwhile Odell is an actual social media influencer 😂
you guys have to make up your mind on whether i am in charge of an elaborate conspiracy against bitcoin or “i do nothing”
but it can’t be both
Every accusation is a confession, they're exposing their identity.
We did. Saylor left and many of the OGs use x instead. Mainly because Hodl culture is virtue signaling and dogmatic.
You can’t beat the major institutions that have unlimited fiat money by holding Bitcoin in a box. You need to have savings yes, but also use strategic leverage and spend only Bitcoin (as much as possible). You cannot serve two masters
Who are these influencers? I have no idea what is happening on Twitter. Anyway, the idea that "Nostr divides Bitcoin" is absurd.
Who said that?
I think objectively there is way less bitcoin discussion (especially from the technical/privacy/lightning crowd) on twitter than there was Pre-Nostr. It's easy to look here on nostr and see that discussion still happening and conclude maybe it's related.
Also though, you okay man? you normally don't angry post but this feels like one
He (supposedly) made an X account for a day, and its already affected him 😂
this note would hit harder in all caps
Retards. Acting like feds split the discussion. They might have won if they didn’t go that route.
You are hearing?
I am seeing that a core supporter is claiming *it - “nostr divided bitcoin”
What does that say about your post and you accusing Knots supporters?
That's the problem with Core worshipers, they think Core literally is Bitcoin.
Thank god🤲🏼
Bitcoin doesn't care about your thoughts. Vote by running the software that alines more with what Bitcoin is, money. I think CORE has done pretty poorly recently. So I am not trusting, I am verifying:
{
"version": 290200,
"subversion": "/Satoshi:29.2.0(bitcoin.badger)/Knots:20251110/",
"protocolversion": 70016,
"localservices": "0000000000000c09",
"localservicesnames": [
"NETWORK",
"WITNESS",
"NETWORK_LIMITED",
"P2P_V2"
],
I do agree more with BIP110 than I disagree, so I vote with my nodes.
Bitcoin without Nostr is opting out of half the revolution.
Is that you on Twitter or a fake? @ODELLXYZ
Who are knots influencers?
Simpfluencers (influencers in your language) only exist for shitcoin core.
Knots has only plebs army not simpfluencers.
And I am not aware of plebs accusing the entire bitcoin technical community of being pedos EXCEPT ADAM BALLSACK.
You will never stop being core apologist that's why you will never find out which side has more cognitive dissonance.
You don't have balls to end the shitcoin core but 80IQ plebs do
We are running Knots + BIP110 and we will end the shitcoin core.
GFY 😎😎😎
I have never heard that once, the biggest knots supporters are on nostr so that makes no sense.
I think you might be getting bad information.
Your second statement doesn't make sense either. Knots is part of the Bitcoin technical community.
People like Nick Szabo and Luke are trying to avoid and or be proactive in preventing pedos from using it. You should try having a conversation with them instead of listening to the gossip. Unity is required when we need Bitcoin more than ever.
Thankfully, no one can "prevent" anyone from using Bitcoin. Unfortunately that includes pedos. If you could prevent people from using Bitcoin then it would not be good money or a useful tool for freedom.
