Alright libertarians and anarchists. Is the freedom of this dog not important? Can we enslave animals while demanding that government not enslave us? Is the world really just about power? 😭🤣😂
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That's not freedom if you did it in Korea. It's called leaving it to die.
The freedom to die is still a freedom 😂
You can definitely free yourself of freedom by killing yourself 😂
If it's on purpose.
Even if it isn’t. You can choose to live dangerously but accept the consequences if things go wrong. If you can’t make that decision, you’re not free
Some dogs live at our mercy and live safe and comfortably. Some dogs also live in the wild and live in danger and in squalor.
Humans can, however, make dangerous environments safe. Dogs can't. So it's better for a dog to live as a pet and better for a human to live free.
So it’s all about power
Yes
Wouldn’t that ironically mean that we can’t be free since we’re always subject to the wide range of power holders in the world
There's no limit to the amount of power people can generate to overcome those who seek to oppress them. I don't think those power holders can hold power forever.
If freedom is based in power, that means you always have to be exerting it against a world that wants to consume you. And that's just the world of nature in general, let alone other people.
And what’s interesting is that the gap in power shrinks with new technologies. So the battle shifts away from brute force to mental warfare (i.e. propaganda, brainwashing)
The chains on this dog is not the leash. The power holder here has chains on the dog’s DNA.
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Good perspective 😂
Breeding and domestication are a hell of a chain ⛓️
If we think about our own DNA, I am not so sure we have as much “free will” as we like to think.
I think we can be bounded by our nature and still have the ability to choose what we do within those bounds. But it's the truly strong who can break out of their comfort zone and really act freely.
Amor Fati. Love your fate. But do not go gentle into that good night.
I’m on the no free will side of the debate
I think this is the whole concept of the ying yang ☯️
Dog was freed from the leash.
The human was still the center of its world.
True true maybe it’s consensual
My dog knows the leash is like a seat belt. There’s no emotional effect on her at all. Even less than this dog. Her release after I unclip her to get some crazy running done is a bit of verbal and a hand pat. She loves it.
This. I keep the collar on my dog loose enough that she can slip out of it at any time, it will pop right over her head. Every time it happens she sits and waits for me to put it back on 😂
Wolves are pack animals. The ones that selected for domestication would have been the most submissive of the group, not the alpha animals. That's why dogs generally prefer an owner who's in control.
Many times I've met dogs that "just don't listen", but funnily enough they listen to me, because I know how to use intonation and body language to communicate with them. I notice this especially with dogs raised & trained by women FWIW. The dogs seem happier when someone is in control, that's what they expect & respect. My last 2 dogs were exactly like this, looking for someone to lead them. Initially badly behaved, but quickly fell in line.
I think a majority of humans are this way too actually. They would prefer being part of a group, even if it means giving up some of their freedom. Looking through history this seems to be the case, tribes and societies form because of it. Without modern conveniences living a life by yourself would have been very hard.
This makes sense and makes me think that it really is about power. Everyone falls into their respective role based on where they land on the power hierarchy. And straying from that role toward freedom without the power meant death. That means this is evolutionarily based.
I think it depends on how you mean by freedom as well. "Freedom to" vs "Freedom from". Society is a tradeoff between these.
A lone person or dog is free to do whatever they want, but must rely entirely on themselves for everything.
A member of a tribe or pack gains freedom from worrying about hunger, hunting/gathering as a group is easier. Freedom from worrying about violence, as you have more power in numbers. Freedom from having to take care of every facet of your life, because tasks can be specialized and the results shared.
I am a dog lover and I still say dogs have to be on leashes. Dog without one is just a wild animal. My dogs do not wear leashes because they move freely inside a very large perimeter nor they wear collars. But outside of the gate is a leashes time.
