Even tho I dont think Federal or State IDs should exist to start with, in the context of a democratic system, it's fortunate that you personally don't know anyone that doesnt have some sort of ID, but that does not mean that such people don't exist.
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The only reason you don’t have an ID is because you don’t want one or you can’t get one because you’re not a citizen. Show me one example of a person who can’t get an ID but should be able to vote.
If you believe in voting then ID verification is a no brainer. Full stop.
Homeless American citizens. (See my above comments on this post)
Honestly, there are all sorts of "homeless" people who function quite well, but if they are the sort who are so dysfunctional that they stay drugged up or they shit on the sidewalk or they are just mentally ill, why would you want those people to vote?
I mean, it would certainly be nice for there to be ways for people to get the help they need to be a functioning member of society, no matter what their situation may be, but I don't see why they would give a shit about voting one way or the other, unless someone is bribing them & driving them to the polls or bringing them mail in ballots to fill out (which the left definitely does).
It doesnt matter whether I personally want them to vote or not. An ideal world would not have a large, overbearing democratic state. But unfortunately, we dont live in that world (yet). We live under a system of alleged democracy, in which case, everyone should have the right and ability to vote.
Let me tell you the story of Drew, an employee on my crew who is one of my best workers. He is the type of guy who stays late, will work as long as he is needed, and is often asking for extra shifts. He's the type of employee that will drop what he is doing as soon as you tell him to do something else. Drew had an ID when I met him. He is an American citizen. He has gone thru 2 different state IDs since I met him and currently does not have one. I know because we ask for ID as collateral for work equipment like radios and keys.
Drew is homeless. He works overtime hours whenever the company lets him but he remains homeless because almost all of his money goes to paying the bills for his mother, who is in the hospital.
The reason he has such a hard time maintaining an ID is he often gets robbed or has his clothes stolen out of the box truck that he sleeps in in the backyard of a friends house. He even stopped carrying a wallet because its too easy to steal.
Are you telling me that Drew, an American citizen working his ass off just to care for his mother, should not have the ability to vote because his situation makes it difficult for him to maintain an ID?
If Drew cannot figure out how to
1.get a new ID by November
2. Secure his property
Then he is not qualified to vote on what happens with our tax dollars.
The ID system is heavily subsidized by the taxes other hard working Americans have to pay. People like drew could not possibly be greater than 100 ppm in the US. I challenge you to find data otherwise. Drew sounds like the most comical possible concrete reinforced steel man you can make for no ID voting and I still don’t agree.
The far likelier scenario is that there are active ballot harvesting criminals or criminal aliens stuffing ballot boxes. This is the real attack on our democracy. If it means eliminating them from the voting pool I’m willing to make the sacrifice of irresponsible Drew not being able to vote.
So you you think some people should have rights and others shouldn't for subjective reasons. You just lost all credibility in my book.
Thank you I actually take that as a massive compliment because you’re a confused retard.
"Ballot harvesting criminals" 😂 "criminal aliens" 😂 "attack on our democracy" 🤣🤣
This comment is dripping with right wing propaganda. I hope you are just fucking around, cuz if not, holy shit 🤣🤣
Criminal aliens is a legal term.
Ballot harvesting is also a legal term.
Read a book leftoid retard.
I do think some way to validate a person's identity needs to exist if we are going to have a govt at all, & one of the primary reasons it would make sense to do so is to be able to validate different forms of engagement with govt programs & decision making schemes like voting.
But without a govt, & without the need for any sort of voting, I think reputation based on some sort of voluntary key based ID system would be fine for most things.
Yea I mean obviously I prefer an anarchist solution, but for the sake of this post, we are speaking within the existence of a democratic state.