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Laeserin 1y ago

It's brutally difficult to break into the Nostr developer network because the discussion is all mixed in with social media chitchat and nobody looks at anything their followers didn't post, anymore.

And, no, hashtags don't really work.

Neither do DVMs. Neither do lists.

The technical discussion needs to move to a place like GitWorkship or something, so that the discussion there is only about technical stuff. So that your time-pressed question about the proper implementation of NIP-14 doesn't get drowned out by a Damus update, whatever Jack said, and a famous chick's derrière.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

i might be sounding like a broken record but if you are a nostr dev, it is probably even more important

small follow lists are beautiful

Laeserin 1y ago

Most of the more well-known devs aren't actually using Nostr for development conversation. They're just marketing here. They have their own Slack, or whatever.

But most devs aren't more well-known, so we're out of the convo. And if we try to start one, it's like *crickets*. Or the other devs mute us.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

these well known devs are also not eating their own dogfood so that makes their fame negated by their credibility

Laeserin 1y ago

They show up once or twice a month to zap some e-girl spouting inane nonsense, tell us how great things are gonna be, and then disappear again. LOL We can all sit here and watch it in real time. Unbelievable.

They hardly use their own apps.

Kajoozie Maflingo 1y ago

nostr:npub1yx6pjypd4r7qh2gysjhvjd9l2km6hnm4amdnjyjw3467fy05rf0qfp7kza is in #cornychat like every day

Laeserin 1y ago

Yup. He also responds on here to questions.

Laeserin 1y ago

But that's a good tip for new devs: Ask Vic.

TheRupertDamnit 1y ago

We, in the cornychat cult, call him VicGPT.

TheRupertDamnit 1y ago

(you and Vic are my favorite devs.)

Laeserin 1y ago

🫂

You’re a dev!? I thought you just wrote notes!

Laeserin 1y ago

Surprise 🥳

Exodia38 1y ago

I was thinking about a hybrid group/hashtag system. Groups and hashtags have different noise/signal profiles but, theoretically, they can act as two connected water bodies than can feed back each other when there are problems in one of them.

For example, a hashtag can have a high amount of noise, a high amount of signal and a relatively low signal/noise ratio; a group can be the opposite: low noise, low signal and a relatively high signal/noise ratio, curated by a group of people that know about the subject. In this sense, hashtags and groups could be complementary depending on how much time you want to employ searching for the thing you need. Also, the utility of the hybrid system would be greater over time because you would be slowly building and expanding a web of trust

Laeserin 1y ago

#[4] was suggesting something similar.

Just create a Developer Topical Relay #🦖

Laeserin 1y ago

We already have those. Doesn't solve the problem that the development posts end up in drowned in the social media feed.

You need a different client that doesn't focus on social media stuff, like a bulletin board or a forum, just for dev chat, and have those relays the default setting there.

Someplace they can go to just talk to each other, where you don't need 1000 followers to get a response.

Someplace quiet.

Someplace quiet and sparsely populated.

You can view relays with a relay explorer like nostrrr.com or create a feed in coracle with just a single relay.

Laeserin 1y ago

Private groups, yes, but I can't get them to move on there. They all want something like Slack.

I think a single relay explorer with a designated # could work for what your trying to accomplish

Laeserin 1y ago

Probably, but # get spammy fast.

Laeserin 1y ago

It would help, if it had a new note editor that automatically added #dev hashtag and something like Oddbeans that just showed #dev notes, that's true. That would probably be the simplest.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

nostrudel has hashtag feeds, i just discovered

Laeserin 1y ago

Really? Where?

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

just click search and type a hashtag, et voila https://nostrudel.ninja/#/t/devstr

You can use the # in conjunction with a whitelist of npubs, or make it a paid relay to join. That means a # alone won’t write to the relay

Laeserin 1y ago

Oh, that's a nice combination. I might do that. 🤔

I could add some dev keywords and just blacklist people who abuse the privilege.

Laeserin 1y ago

Dev devstr Nostr meshtastic those are the main ones, right?

It works really great, we’ve been using it in our moonboi relay and it even works with major clients like Damus by using the global feed and selecting only the select relay as its source.

By having a whitelist of npubs combined with a mandatory # (in moonboi we use #🌝 but it can be changed and updated at will) it means that we can filter out all the noise the whitelist(paid members) of npubs post and only see the ones they #🌝

In your example, you could make it like (white listed npub) AND (#dev or #devstr or #nostr or #meshtastic)

Topical relays with relay explorers or apps with Damus global feed like abilities to turn on and off particular relay feeds is a great way to “filter” nostr, but would require a lot of relay connections which seems to harm clients

Dr. Monali Desai 1y ago

There aren’t any famous chicks on nostr 🤔 oh is that the point you’re making, we need to get famous women on nostr

Weird Mike Jerkovic 1y ago

Quote of the day:

"a famous chicks derrière"

Good evening #nostr

nostr:nevent1qqsx29vhpryzfe7u05gsqz7t0xcmlqhpt3glk940haw3lh4gnguemzcpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqzyrwkvn27gqtyxw5v660sqkhpfqyqgdgh3x6emed0qcnkmejkx0f3jqcyqqqqqqg6j82cf

ChipTuner 1y ago

I dislike github as a discussion type forum. Its another silo I have to worry about emails from. Its annoying, and interaction from me is slow. Slack and others figured this out. Id rather be on a mailing list than an issue chain on github.

that being said, there are formalities that are in place for a reason. On nostr we can have informal discussions, but they are rarely seen by all working devs. I have to assume there are 1000s or maybe 10,000s of developers playing around on nostr, maybe even building new projects, but their discussions are private or undiscoverable, and likely on a big-tech silo.

Groups/communities are like my no1 thing I wish could function better on nostr. I'm a community guy, I like interacting with all of you guys focusing on meaningful chats, especially about a topic. I only used facebook for groups, it's how the old company initially scaled, it's how I got my previous job.

I'm also kind of interested in regular chats, like nostr nests for noob devs that want to share their project or ask questions

Laeserin 1y ago

🫂 Exactly.