There must be a limit to how much data is transferred across the bitcoin network in order to keep the ability to run and use your own node accessible. A node is required to interact with the global bitcoin network - if you do not use your own node then you must trust someone else's node. If nodes become inaccessible to run then the network will centralize around the remaining entities that operate them - threatening the censorship resistance at the core of bitcoin's value prop.

The bitcoin protocol uses two main mechanisms to keep node operation costs low - a limit on the amount of data in each block and a robust dynamic transaction fee market.

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"The reality is we were never going to be fully prepared..." šŸ¤™

Very kind of Bitcoin to allow scammers to monetise Bitcoins hard won reputation.

When ETH has high fees, everyone: ROFLMAO look at all the losers trapped in ETH.

When it happens to BTC, oh errr designed to do this.

Some intellectual honesty please.

High transaction fees are a major inefficiency for any financial system.

They are friction. Friction is bad.

Network needs much more agile resourcing to arbitrage the fees to converge near zero. Obviously doesn’t have that yet. Why pretend otherwise?

There are tons of resources available on this - you should read up. In short, you can’t have thousands of main chain transactions per second and be decentralized. And if bitcoin isn’t decentralized its pointless. So the only way bitcoin will succeed in being usable for billions of people daily is to scale on other layers. This has been known for a long time now. So while it is unfortunate that high fees will prevent some people from using the network here in the short term it is an inevitable pain point to hit on the path to incentivizing more development on non main chain layers.

Except it hasn’t scaled on other layers yet.

Thats not what is driving this demand for mempool space. It isn’t the much desired monetary adoption driving this.

This is a use case fork.

Bitcoins utility as a currency is weakened by its new dual use case. L1 is now dominated by ordinals.

If miners can make legal windfalls from selling shovels in ponzi’s, guess where they will steer the protocol.

Good thing miners don’t control bitcoin. 2017 called - it wants its FUD back.

This is a false equivalency.

You can scale on layer two without having this shit congesting layer one.

They are not mutually exclusive.

Its bad for an inflationary financial system. Not a hyper deflationary one

Higher fees and decentralization > centralized system with low fees and 100% dependence of middlemen.

I just zapped you 1 sat to demonstrate how lightning works.

Who is scammer you and me? Only censorship can define bad users. It is very dangerous.

That’s not how I see things.

Bad users shouldn’t be censored, they should have enough free speech to humiliate themselves.

You are ignorant. Miners are being paid for providing blockspace. The miners will take this and further increase the security of the bitcoin network, adding to its value proposition. If you feel friction, take your sats to the lightning network, otherwise, GFY.

Sounds emotional. Tough day?

You are right though, sat transactions will flee the blockchain to L2 and L1 will be dominated by tokens and… crypto.

L1 will be dominated by settlements between large institutions and nation-states. Thanks for learning

So when this ponzi rolls over and fees tumble back towards 10 sats/vB… you will be sad, and see that as a bad thing, a reversal of progress?

Or just reinvent a diametric reason for it to be bullish?

Some intellectual honesty is required for credibility.

You’re here for counterspeech but you out yourself as foolish. I would encourage you to GYF šŸ¤™

So, for someone who runs a node, but is still kind of learning the tech, is there something that can be done right now to combat this? It is often said, ā€œnot your node, not your rules.ā€ …so I got a node. Haha So what can I do to help? High transaction costs don’t hurt me right now as a hodler. However, I know it’s causing problems in the global south, and that’s why I’m into Bitcoin to begin with.

Maybe you should check out this guy Craig Wright. Hes right up your ally

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Fees don’t affect the cost of operating a node low? At least it hasn’t affected the cost of operating my node.

The other mechanism to keep the cost of running a node low is the attempt by the protocol to limit the number of blocks (amount of data) included in the chain per unit of time through the difficulty adjustment.

Most of the vocal anti-ordinals crowd are new to Bitcoin (<5 years), it's not their fault but they do not understand the Bitcoin security model.

Fees need to be significantly higher than the block reward in order to survive the upcoming hash war, especially the way things are going with all these people falling for the psyop that Jason Lowery et al are promoting.

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What a presumptuous, dismissive, ridiculous, meritless (likely flat out false, and most likely the complete opposite) statement.

I fixed it for you...

Most of the vocal pro-ordinals crowd are new to Bitcoin (<5 years), it's not their fault but they do not understand Bitcoin or are willing to actively harm the network due to their own ignorance, greed or malfeasance. (See what I mean?)

Next you guys will be calling for bigger block sizes again :/

In any case, if this leads to more people using layer two (LN), more diversification of mining, and eventually the free market wins out then maybe it will be a net positive in the end. I don't have to like it though. It's prematurely raising transaction fees due to pure shit being minted on the network and at these prices, will negatively affect the majority of people who use the network and discourage the onboarding of new users.

Been around since 2011, by the way.

I'm anti-ordinal, and I've been around a lot longer than 5 years.

Fees don't need to be significantly higher than the block reward any time soon. Like, not in the next 15-20 years. The infrastructure and L2 systems were fine evolving alongside very slow and steady L1 volume growth. What this sudden and unexpected volume increase has done is artificially propelled usage forward 10 years or so in volume without the corresponding infrastructure maturity. This use case was unintended and unexpected and so is shocking the system.

Fortunately the Bitcoin system is handling the volume just fine, albeit causing much higher fees which themselves are causing second-order effects, some of which are incentivising an increase in development and usage of the existing L2s.

While there is short-term pain, and I believe that Bitcoin L1 is not the place to build NFT analog tech, I believe this will likely be a long-term benefit for the overall system due to it weathering this attack. The inscriptions market will likely eventually collapse due to being priced out of the blockspace market, so I see it as a doomed ecosystem.

Thanks Druid, a much better explanation for me. I can’t process ā€˜ laugh at how plebs are stressing over this all’ from some as it offers no answers. If you stack sats and use bitcoin and this brc20 clogging occurs out of nowhere then it is worrying and I appreciate someone

with your experience breaking it down for people like myself šŸ¤™

Very mature analysis. Thank you.

Fees are already coming down.

*Block space fee market.

^^^This guy gets it.

I'm interested in you thoughts on this flow diagram showing economic incentives:

I think the market demands more block space as the amount of mining increases because it is directly proportional to the level of security of the network.

More mining = more security = more demand for Bitcoin as a store of value

Also in your ā€œopportunity costā€ remark, it should include the fee rewards, which recently exceeded the block reward, and will likely do so again in the future.

The block reward is the sum of fees (shown as "sats per byte" in the diagram), plus subsidy.

So I'm thinking more about your reply.

You are saying that if lots of energy is being used in mining that makes people more confident in Bitcoin, and therefore adoption increases?

Yes. People are interested in storing their value in secure ways. That is one of Bitcoin’s main value propositions. What makes Bitcoin more secure than everything else is the cost to attack it is insurmountable, due to it’s high hash rate. As the hashrate increases, it’s vulnerability to attack decreases.

In addition to the security gained by high hashrate, the huge and growing investment in mining from entrepreneurs also shows the confidence and commitment to Bitcoin that people have. It is an indication of it’s network effect, it’s staying power. Another good reason to save in bitcoin.

Might be working as designed but it is still tough to see when my yesterday’s transaction had over 500sats/vB and overall it cost me 10% to stack my weekly sats…

Why are people freaking out some degenerate shitcoiners decided to give mountains of free sats to miners?

The trouble, at least in my eyes, is that so many people in the developing world are depending on it for smaller cross-border payments. When the fees are high, we’re back to the same problems that Bitcoin solved with wire transfers.