This stat is sadly very revealing. Most people stop using #Damus because #Nostr doesnāt have the algorithms designed to keep people addicted. Most people are conditioned to expect a constant stream of stimulation and a dopamine hit from the algos. So for most people Nostr feels empty and devoid of content. Iām not sure how we can break people of this addiction.
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I think the stat is useless with nothing to compare it to.
With Damus, i regularly see notes that have no easily viewable upsteam links, so context is lost. It's like always hearing the punchline before the joke. To me, that's a bigger issue than Apple spiking the zaps.
A work in progress I think, and Iām here for it!
#Freedom is addiction! Fuck the algos! I love #nostr and people I chat with on here ! My notes will stay here forever! Thatās #1 reason why people should be addicted.
To be fair, nostr notes are not meant to survive forever. We have yet to see how the nostr services are shaped with enough users to consider data retention and pricing.
I expect every service to be paid, even relays (note passing, how can it be free and avoid spam attacks?) and data retention (who will store your data for free?).
Maybe those will be handled by the same service provider. NSP?
Each protocol and platform has its own niche. Nostr is not a Twitter and he has his own way.
Over time, you get tired of monotonous content, and you donāt want to publish something else for the same reason. I hope the situation will change over time, but in my opinion it is not necessary for Nostr to become as big as Twitter...
I like being social media sober. I feel like I can focus much more now.
Interesting. I had the same experience. Started using Nostr, got bored and ignored it up until a few days ago. Hadn't been using Twitter, etc. as well.
So maybe users just need to "detox" from social media in general and then they can start fresh on Nostr without getting addicted again.
Maybe, during signup, we could have a screen, where users select their interests: Cooking, Hiking, blabla....
These interest then could be mapped to hashtags or lists. And these would be automatically added to the user during sign up, so they could get already a prefiltered flow of notes.
Just my 5 cents.
Damus broke for me I think when I attached my pubkey to Primal.
Although a tempting narrative, is there data to support this no-algorithm hypothesis? Perhaps there's value in collecting secondary contact info in order to follow up with a sample of users on how their onboarding experience was and if they stopped using Nostr, why?
Why not offer starter packs during key creation? A curated list of accounts to follow for different niches. It would allow Nostr not to feel empty. And maybe help against impersonating scams.
I left LinkedIn because my posts were throttled. I left Twitter because of shadow bans.
I didn't come here to speak into a vacuum too.
Build algos and distribute posts.
Who should make the rules? Norms and rules of which society to take as a basis? What if implemented algorithms will shadowban you like Twitter?
Sad to read, But for now this is true.
Will be difficult to compete with the adicciĆ³n fiat economy.
The strength of decentralization is cooperation se let keep building and remember the low time preference. #Nostr is a baby, but let just think 14 year ahead like bitcoin now.
No, this is wishful thinking.
From my experience, Nostr is often 'dead' when you post things and there is generally little engagement, so the impression many users get is that nobody is interested. If nobody is interested in engaging then people feel that they are wasting their time.
This could in some cases be related to relay problems. Also sometimes the notifications don't work so you might not see a response someone wrote. So the impression for many users is that there is little response.
I agree with this being wishful thinking tbh. And a pretty unfair, slightly self-aggrandizing assesment too. Sorry.
When people ask 'where is the content?' They don't mean they want an algo to push stuff at them to rule them up and give them dopamine. It's not they haven't tried finding the content.
What they seem to mean (going off major complaints you see about nostr) is that people don't count shouting b!tcoinisms at each other all day as Content. (I know nostr isn't all that, but you can see how someone would conclude that can you not?).
The lack of content in this respect is a lack of diversity of subject, conversation.
Agreed, well said.
Nostr has tremendous potential. How long it will take to reach its potential is still unknown.
Dissing other social platforms only lead people to close down. People mindreading and assuming other people are chasing dopamine hits on other social media, is just frankly irrational overreach in conclusion.
Besides, what could possibly give a better dopamine hit than receiving sats on Nostr. Until we acknowledge that there are genuine challenges involved we won't make progress by assuming the worst of the people we are asking to join us here.
Finding content on Nostr is still a challenge. Finding good engagement on Nostr, unless you are part of a tight group of friends, can take time. Sometimes when I post, I don't know if anyone is reading my note, and I don't know if that's because the quality is not good enough, or if my reach is bad due to having the wrong relays activated, or something else entirely.
I think adding Lists to more clients can be helpful, I know some clients already have that. Finding content by search can be very hard.
Yeah I feel like there is a bit of 'people don't get it, cos they're can't handle freedom, they're sheeple, unlike me, I'm a free thinker, I can handle nostr' and not dealing with the real issue. I suspect and it's only a suspicion, that some people would actually be more comfortable with nostr only being the chatroom/telegram group it (sort of) is now. ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
I'm not clever enough to know any answers to your relay questions lol. But I agree that Lists are very useful. Similarly you can find people via group/community membership. Nostrudel .ninja is great for this, profile pages are full of info and possiblities for discovering new users. It also has Community pages support which also lists members of groups. Worth digging around there.
So for example there's the Art community, you can look at active users there and you might find topics/threads to join in on or whatnot...
https://nostrudel.ninja/#/c/Art/npub17nd4yu9anyd3004pumgrtazaacujjxwzj36thtqsxskjy0r5urgqf6950x
you should have seen the conversation in my mentions from yesterday where pedophiles were arguing about the sexiest way to rape their own children ...
then tell me that the average person can handle freedom of speech ...
Twitter's head of trust and safety had to flee his home and hire private security when it came out that he did a PHD on basically fucking children ...
the average person doesn't understand the concept of freedom. to them freedom is just a positive sounding word.
just like "independence day" to them means cheeseburgers and "thanksgiving" to them means turkey and so on ...
believing that the average person will adopt Nostr is like believing the average person will switch from a Honda Civic to Honda CBR1000RR-R
i never even told anybody in real life that i was on GAB and GAB bans regular porn let alone pedophiles.
now that ( thanks to me ) pedophiles discovered NOSTR i will probably never tell anybody IRL that i am on NOSTR again.
first the Nazis will drive out the B!tcoin faggots
and then Pedophiles will drive out the Nazis
eventually NOSTR will be strictly for child fucking
Good suggestions.
I have one idea, not sure if it would work:
1. Let's say we can tag our note with for example: [Meme], [Picture], [Politics], [Sport], [Philosophy], [Photography], [AI-Art], [Art-No-AI], and so on.
One problem that we would face is bots falsely self-tagging their notes for unwarranted classification.
2. What if we could voluntarily embed into our profile, let's say 1000 sats as a deposit, and as long as we have that deposit there, we could utilize special tags for our notes that makes them easy to find and index based on those tags. The deposit would exist in a wallet that we could empty when we want, although then our special tag clearance would disappear.
There are certainly problems with this. How do we set a 'fair' minimum amount of deposit. Is there a risk that we alienate those who don't have 1000 sats to spare. What if the deposit was 10,000 sats. What if the price of Bitcoin increases so much that 1 sat is too high.
Just something to reflect on.
There are a fair amount of active users on nostr who don't really care about zaps, so it might alienate a few, sure a minority.
I suppose there are some clients sort of working on similar things, the community section of Nostrudel for example, will only show you posts from communities. Which are sorta moderated, or at least seem to currently be on topic (with no need for moderation probably except for spambots). This kinda functions as a tag. A few clients are focusing on this topic-based feed rather than twitter following people based feed. š¤
Maybe that is kinda the same?
After further consideration, my idea probably can't work as I described it, due to the risk of bots instantly removing the deposit after posting notes with the special tags and then using those sats for the deposit of another account. If this was automated thousands of times per day, the resulting spam would still be immense and the special tags would be useless.
To combat this, the deposit needs to be locked in place for some amount in time before it can be emptied. Let's say that an account deposit must stay in the account for 7 days before it can be emptied.
If the deposit is, let's say,10,000 sats and we can't access it for 7 days, that would still be long enough to prevent bots from gaming the mechanic.
You can be addicted to people and your own interestsā¦or maybe itās better that way, as in nostr creates a healthier lifestyle around social media and having touch grass time
I still use Twitter atm because of the reach but post on Nostr about equal amounts and tell people about it irl
Iām actually quite happy here!
Not all algorithms are created equal. Maybe it's time to visit the idea of opt-in discovery mechanisms if the focus is to be onboarding and retention.
That's not it. It's just the network effect.
It's good that these people know about Nostr now, it will be easier for them to come back later when Nostr is bigger.
"99% of people stop using damus after 6 months" . But they will come back when Nostr became big, yeah.
Would be nice if Damus followed relay hints I guess.
I think as engagement between users naturally grows, people will start sticking to the app.
When people unknowingly curate their own communities on #nostr, theyāll compare the feeling of being on here vs being back on an algorithm fed app and realize the toxicity driven dopamine hits arenāt as worth it as being surrounded by their digital tribe.
Itās like the rat and cocaine experiment. The rats will do cocaine alone until they die unless they are surrounded by other rats and a lush environment
I think it's just a matter of getting people others want to follow on to this platform. People go to where their friends & favorite celebrities are, and once they're following enough of them the algorithm ceases to matter as much
I'm not sure what exactly is the difference between Nostr and Mastodon.
