I developed tendinitis in both of my hands about 8 years ago. It was pretty severe and I saw multiple doctors to try and fix the issue. The problem would come and go with occasional severe flare ups. The doctors told me to do stretches and wear a brace to prevent it from moving. Nothing really helped. It may have made it worse because I noticed my hands would be very stiff in the morning. It wasn’t until I went on YouTube and found a based doctor that suggested strengthening the muscles in my hands. Ever since, my pain has been minimal and my strength is much better. I had a similar experience after a severe ankle injury. I went to see a physical therapist and he told me to do stretches that never seemed to help. It wasn’t until I ran into a gym bro that told me to strengthen the muscles around my ankle. I did calf raises on a bosu ball at the gym and it forced all the muscles in my leg that stabilize my ankle to get stronger.

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Same here. I had some crazy tendinitis (I think anyway) in my knee and elbow. Physical therapist didn’t help at all. I found Knees over toes guy to fix my knee issues and some other guys for my elbow. I can now play basketball and not feel pain the next day. It requires constant maintenance through exercises but the decentralization of these industries is huge.

Who is knee over toes??

He’s got a cool story. Had numerous knee surgeries. Doctors said he won’t be able to play basketball, etc. Eventually he took it upon himself to study the knee. Now he dunks and is super athletic.

How old is he? I’d love to dunk lol

Not sure. If I had to guess. Somewhere between 30-40. I did his program for a bit. I still do a lot of the exercises in my workouts.

His main premise in his workouts, is resistance training through full range of motion. This adds flexibility and strength at the outer limits of your range of motion. He’s since moved on to other joints beyond the knees. His a big proponent of barefoot style shoes.

You should check out Jay Vincent on YouTube. I think you’d appreciate his content.

Have you tried barefoot style shoes? I really like my Vivos.

Yes I have. My only issues with them are the price and the small selection. They’re not really great looking shoes or my style.

Yeah barefoot shoes tend to look weird. I think Vivo has done a better job recently with style. I’m married with two kids so I don’t really care lol.

Yeah it’s different when you’re single lol been trying to improve my fashion without breaking the bank. Makes a big difference with women.

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The smarter doctors are all-in on physical therapy these days, but the dumb ones still want to prescribe something and forget about it.

Physical therapy is mostly junk science

absolutely not. throw up some proof bro. sounds like you found a crappy PT. Like crappy docs and crappy chiropractors, they exist. most PTs i know are dudes who are quite fit, and into fitness.

1. those aren't demonstrations that most PT is junk science, which is your claim I'm challenging

2. one just says that stretching in a lenghtened position is noninferior to strength exercises...not sure what you're trying to demonstrate with that one

3. one is a meta-analysis, with poorly defined inclusion criteria i might add, that failed to demonstrate whether or not stretching post exercise influenced three post exercise phenomena...again, not sure of your point.

yes, there are a shitton of really crappy "scientific" papers out there. some in prestigious journals. perverse incentives yada yada.

that doesn't mean that PT as a profession is built on a wrong understanding of the human machine, or that the interventions they do are harmful.

Find me comparative studies where people who stretch are better off than people that don’t 🤷‍♂️

Most of what physical therapy had me do and others that I know was stretching.

you mean what "a therapist" had me do.

stop extrapolating your singular experience with one practitioner to an entire field.

And range of motion exercises and resistance exercises are not just stretching.

Like I said, i know plenty of people that wasted their time with PTs doing stretches.

Show me the comparative studies that imply stretching is beneficial.

You shouldn't believe those people. Most people (60-70%) do not adhere to the instructions of their physical therapist. Like you, they slack off when they go home. And again, resistance training isn't stretching. In the literature, "stretching" has a very specific definition. "Only stretching" is VERY rarely used as a PT treatment, and this isn't a recent practice change.

Himler P, Lee GT, Rhon DI, et al. Understanding Barriers to Adherence to Home Exercise Programs in Patients With Musculoskeletal Neck Pain. Musculoskeletal Science & Practice. 2023;63:102722. doi:10.1016/j.msksp.2023.102722.

Essery R, Geraghty AW, Kirby S, Yardley L. Predictors of Adherence to Home-Based Physical Therapies: A Systematic Review. Disability and Rehabilitation. 2017;39(6):519-534. doi:10.3109/09638288.2016.1153160.

Shahidi B, Padwal J, Lee E, et al. Factors Impacting Adherence to an Exercise-Based Physical Therapy Program for Individuals With Low Back Pain. PloS One. 2022;17(10):e0276326. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0276326.

You don’t know what I did lmao I did adhere to them but it didn’t help.

And why should I believe your chat gpt answers over them? 🤣

i'm 70% confident that I know what you did lol. byeeeee👋🏻👋🏻

Okay man come back when you learn what a comparative study is 🤣

also you're totally scrambled now lol believe me over them...but i was supporting whatever "them" told you to do..so i guess you agree with me? lol have a tea mate.

Moltubakk et al. (2021) examined the effects of 24 weeks of daily static stretching on the plantarflexors. They observed increased range of motion (ROM) and passive tendon elongation, but no changes in tendon stiffness, indicating that stretching can alter muscle-tendon behavior without necessarily increasing tendon stiffness.[1]

Su et al. (2008) investigated the effects of cyclic stretching on rat tendons and ligaments. They found that cyclic stretching significantly increased the ultimate stress and elastic modulus of both the patellar tendon and medial collateral ligament, suggesting enhanced mechanical properties with stretching.[2]

Kay et al. (2015) compared contract-relax (CR) stretching, static stretching (SS), and isometric contractions. They found that CR stretching and isometric contractions significantly reduced tendon stiffness, while static stretching did not. All interventions increased ROM, but the changes in muscle and tendon stiffness were distinct.[3]

[1] Moltubakk MM, Villars FO, Magulas MM, et al. Altered Triceps Surae Muscle-Tendon Unit Properties After 6 Months of Static Stretching. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2021;53(9):1975-1986. doi:10.1249/MSS.0000000000002671.

[2] Su WR, Chen HH, Luo ZP. Effect of Cyclic Stretching on the Tensile Properties of Patellar Tendon and Medial Collateral Ligament in Rat. Clinical Biomechanics (Bristol, Avon). 2008;23(7):911-7. doi:10.1016/j.clinbiomech.2008.04.002.

[3] Kay AD, Husbands-Beasley J, Blazevich AJ. Effects of Contract-Relax, Static Stretching, and Isometric Contractions on Muscle-Tendon Mechanics. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2015;47(10):2181-90. doi:10.1249/MSS.0000000000000632.

HOWEVER there is definitely ***some*** evidence suggesting that individuals who do not stretch may not be at a significant disadvantage compared to those who do, particularly in terms of injury prevention and muscle soreness.

A systematic review published in the BMJ concluded that stretching before or after exercise does not confer significant protection from muscle soreness or reduce the risk of injury.[1]

A randomized trial in the British Journal of Sports Medicine found that stretching did not produce clinically significant reductions in all-injury risk, although it did reduce the risk of experiencing bothersome soreness and injuries to muscles, ligaments, and tendons.[2]

A systematic review in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise indicated that static stretching (SS) and proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation (PNF) stretching had no clear effect on all-cause or overuse injuries, and dynamic stretching (DS) produced small-to-moderate performance improvements when completed within minutes of physical activity.[3]

A review in Sports Medicine highlighted that stretching may not be necessary for injury prevention in sports with low-intensity stretch-shortening cycles (SSCs), such as jogging or cycling, where a compliant muscle-tendon unit is less critical.[4]

It comes down to the movement you're doing, how much, how often, and your own biophysics.

[1] Herbert RD, Gabriel M. Effects of Stretching Before and After Exercising on Muscle Soreness and Risk of Injury: Systematic Review. BMJ (Clinical Research Ed.). 2002;325(7362):468. doi:10.1136/bmj.325.7362.468.

[2] Jamtvedt G, Herbert RD, Flottorp S, et al. A Pragmatic Randomised Trial of Stretching Before and After Physical Activity to Prevent Injury and Soreness. British Journal of Sports Medicine. 2010;44(14):1002-9. doi:10.1136/bjsm.2009.062232.

[3] Behm DG, Blazevich AJ, Kay AD, McHugh M. Acute Effects of Muscle Stretching on Physical Performance, Range of Motion, and Injury Incidence in Healthy Active Individuals: A Systematic Review. Applied Physiology, Nutrition, and Metabolism = Physiologie Appliquee, Nutrition Et Metabolisme. 2016;41(1):1-11. doi:10.1139/apnm-2015-0235.

[4] Witvrouw E, Mahieu N, Danneels L, McNair P. Stretching and Injury Prevention: An Obscure Relationship. Sports Medicine (Auckland, N.Z.). 2004;34(7):443-9. doi:10.2165/00007256-200434070-00003.

Sorry, for comparative studies:

Mahieu et al. (2007) conducted a study comparing static and ballistic stretching to a control group over six weeks. They found that static stretching significantly decreased passive resistive torque without changing Achilles tendon stiffness, while ballistic stretching significantly decreased Achilles tendon stiffness without affecting passive resistive torque

Moltubakk et al. (2021) examined the effects of 24 weeks of daily static stretching on the plantarflexors. They observed increased range of motion (ROM) and passive tendon elongation, but no changes in tendon stiffness, indicating that stretching can alter muscle-tendon behavior without necessarily increasing tendon stiffness.[1]

Su et al. (2008) investigated the effects of cyclic stretching on rat tendons and ligaments. They found that cyclic stretching significantly increased the ultimate stress and elastic modulus of both the patellar tendon and medial collateral ligament, suggesting enhanced mechanical properties with stretching.[2]

Kay et al. (2015) compared contract-relax (CR) stretching, static stretching (SS), and isometric contractions. They found that CR stretching and isometric contractions significantly reduced tendon stiffness, while static stretching did not. All interventions increased ROM, but the changes in muscle and tendon stiffness were distinct.[3]

[1] Moltubakk MM, Villars FO, Magulas MM, et al. Altered Triceps Surae Muscle-Tendon Unit Properties After 6 Months of Static Stretching. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2021;53(9):1975-1986. doi:10.1249/MSS.0000000000002671.

[2] Su WR, Chen HH, Luo ZP. Effect of Cyclic Stretching on the Tensile Properties of Patellar Tendon and Medial Collateral Ligament in Rat. Clinical Biomechanics (Bristol, Avon). 2008;23(7):911-7. doi:10.1016/j.clinbiomech.2008.04.002.

[3] Kay AD, Husbands-Beasley J, Blazevich AJ. Effects of Contract-Relax, Static Stretching, and Isometric Contractions on Muscle-Tendon Mechanics. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2015;47(10):2181-90. doi:10.1249/MSS.0000000000000632.

Seems like you’re just pulling these from chat gpt lol they’re not proving anything about stretching

not from the cgtp, I'm pulling them from a curated repository of quality articles i can access through my institution. But you can get them on scihub or annasarchive.

they're showing that stretching is effective for various things, and not effective for various things.

i'm showing both sides.

this kind of info is then applied in the context of the myriad ways folks hurt themselves. Sometimes resistance is an absolute no go. other times it's exactly what's needed. sometimes motion is needed for blood flow, but not loading.

not expecting you to understand, just leaving this here for anyone who has half a brain and stumbles onto your amoebic, anemic tirade.

done chatting bro. totally unpleasant. go read a logic book and study stats. be well.

This is proving my point. One of the studies found that stretching wasn’t making people better off than not stretching. The rest are not comparative and one is on rats.

#readingcomprehensionissues

also your dumb dude vid is way oversimplifying this. for clicks of course.

i'm guessing you're under 30 yo

wimps

Alright man this was fun but I’ll be muting now GFY and have fun with your little placebo stretches 🫡

I have the same in my both ankles. Over the last year both my achilles tendons started hurting like crazy. Waking up they would be soar I can't easily walk.

I have been doing taekwondo for ages so jumping while on the heels is essential, it doesn't however strengthen the muscles as weights lifting does. I always find myself doing one or the other but not both–depending on whether where I live has a good tkd class. I'd prefer it over a classic gym.

2019 to 2023 I spent lifting while in 2023 and 2024 I had chance to go to taekwondo. Neither were consistent though. I would push it for three months then stop for three xD.

Going to tkd class last summer felt like torture. Coach and team doc recommended stretching and using foam roller plus drinking a lot of water. Nothing really helped.

Last week however things started changing after restarting gym.

Reading your story I have to link my pains to when I stopped lifting or generally training my leg muscles. I'm back to squatting which seems to help more than stretching, massages, and bands.

squats are essential

after pull-ups these are the second thing i've started doing again after recovering from kidney damage related problems, mostly because they seemed a good pairing with pull-ups

next week i will get into the pushups, most likely, and i'm thinking to go with leg lifts instead of situps, i always have problems with my spine and abrasion and movement while trying to do situps on normal furniture and mats and whatnot

i will just say this though

if you are having issues with muscle weakness, cramps and maybe you also have problems with tinnitis and vision (specifically, double vision, but it may seem like declining close vision) potassium and kidneys are probably what's at play, and there is a dozen things that can cause this, for me it was related to artificial sweeteners, energy drinks and potato chips

So many factors to consider. Leg strength is very important. If you’re not doing squats then definitely do some kind of leg press. Diet is important as well. No processed garbage.

The thing about core muscles is that they are targeted during squats. Pay attention to your body. If you feel your core is weak and not improving, then consider removing the leg raises. Sometimes overworking a muscle makes it weaker.

yep, i am aware of the problem of overtraining and strain

today my legs feel up to another session, but only if i'm not hitting a fast pace on my walk up the hill, that exercise is a daily baseline that limits how far i can push during training until it is relatively "light" compared to what i do in my training (currently, i think 78 squats is less total power requirement than the 800m/30m altitude round trip)

i pretty much decide if i'm going to take another rest day or not, after being up for a while, usually after the sun has finally come up i have some sense of what my legs are up to, i think last night they got a really good rest, because they distinctly feel better, i'm thinking to maybe hit the hydrolysed beef protein smoothie shortly and then see how i feel - probably i will do the exercises today, everything feels ok, just want to make sure i'm providing sufficient resources for a good recovery, 100% this weekend i'm doing no training, if i do some today, need a 2 day rest after three sessions with a day between as i have this week

yeah, pretty much hmmm maybe i will not train today, just got up to close the window and noticing the pain... it is colder now (why i was closing the window) so idk, maybe just have the protein smoothie and perhaps later today, if not, tomorrow and that's that... gotta go easy when there is pain, exercising strained muscles is counterproductive

double vision-->go to a doctor

the problem has resolved itself, simply, primarily, by cutting down sugar intake and eliminating artificial sweeteners, indicating that the causation was these two things

doctors were recommending us, on behalf of their bosses at Phizer, to accept being part of an unprecedented Mengele style medical experiment

they are disqualified from any regard from me without my personal evaluation of their "Science"

you changed two varibles and you're the one complaining about bad science lol

glad you could lifestyle change. diabetes sucks.

So the achilles is tricky because it’s not a muscle. I don’t think you can really make it stronger. You probably need to strengthen other muscles around it. Or you may need to rest more. If you’re putting a lot of strain on your heels then you may need to do less tkd per week. The last thing you want to do is tear your achilles. Definitely avoid stretching. There is no science supporting its proclaimed benefits. Maybe some calf raises once a week will help?

Tendons and ligaments can be strengthened through specific types of exercise and mechanical loading.

Research indicates that resistance training, particularly involving high strain magnitude and appropriate strain duration, can enhance tendon stiffness, cross-sectional area, and Young's modulus. For example, a study by Bohm et al. demonstrated that high strain magnitude and low strain frequency are essential for tendon adaptation, with significant increases in tendon stiffness and cross-sectional area observed after 14 weeks of specific loading protocols.[1]

Additionally, different strength training regimes, such as explosive-contraction and sustained-contraction training, have been shown to increase patellar tendon stiffness and Young's modulus, with sustained-contraction training also promoting muscle hypertrophy.[2]

**Eccentric training**, which involves lengthening the muscle-tendon unit under load, has been particularly effective in improving tendon biomechanical properties. Kaux et al. found that eccentric training significantly increased the rupture force and collagen content in tendons, suggesting enhanced mechanical strength.[3]

Furthermore, the exercise-induced biochemical milieu, characterized by elevated growth hormone levels post-exercise, has been shown to enhance collagen content and tensile strength in engineered ligaments, indicating a potential mechanism for exercise-induced tendon and ligament strengthening.[4]

In summary, tendons and ligaments can be strengthened through targeted exercise regimens that include **high strain magnitude**, appropriate strain duration, and eccentric training, which collectively enhance their mechanical properties and collagen content.

References

[1] Bohm S, Mersmann F, Tettke M, Kraft M, Arampatzis A. Human Achilles Tendon Plasticity in Response to Cyclic Strain: Effect of Rate and Duration. The Journal of Experimental Biology. 2014;217(Pt 22):4010-7. doi:10.1242/jeb.112268.

[2] Massey GJ, Balshaw TG, Maden-Wilkinson TM, Tillin NA, Folland JP. Tendinous Tissue Adaptation to Explosive- Vs. Sustained-Contraction Strength Training. Frontiers in Physiology. 2018;9:1170. doi:10.3389/fphys.2018.01170.

[3] Kaux JF, Drion P, Libertiaux V, et al. Eccentric Training Improves Tendon Biomechanical Properties: A Rat Model. Journal of Orthopaedic Research : Official Publication of the Orthopaedic Research Society. 2013;31(1):119-24. doi:10.1002/jor.22202.

[4] West DW, Lee-Barthel A, McIntyre T, et al. The Exercise-Induced Biochemical Milieu Enhances Collagen Content and Tensile Strength of Engineered Ligaments. The Journal of Physiology. 2015;593(20):4665-75. doi:10.1113/JP270737.

Glad to hear you're getting well guy. Buddy just told me his uncle was dealing with cancer, that his doctor told him to say his goodbyes. Someone told him they had stage four ten years ago and took ivermectin and fenbendezole and went into complete remission.

My buddy's uncle found out the other day he is now in remission. The paradigm is shifting in front of our eyes.

Wow. Where did he get that idea from? I know someone dealing with cancer right now that might benefit from it.

Frankly I don't know but.. take this how you will.. Rogan has talked about this link a few times, pretty sure RFK did too, and now Mel Gibson just got on talking about he knows 3 people who have done it. I don't know the science but ivermectin is supposed to be one of the safest and cheapest drugs on the planet so it wouldn't hurt to try it. As far as I know.

ivermectin was removed from OTC to hard to get in EU b4* convid rollout

cancer isn't one disease. get that idea out of your head. there is no cure-all.

NA pormi

It looks like you have it under control but flossing the forearms and biceps has helped me with flare ups.

flossing makes a huge difference for me too, hands would fall asleep before

What is flossing lol

https://youtu.be/ieH5q3gt3yo

Looks and feels retarded, is effective

It feels weird af

I had to look at a few videos some worked and some didn't and different nerves do different things. There's one where I have to make eyeglasses with my fingers that's the most effective 🤣

I did it once and I can’t do it again. Feels too weird it’s making me paranoid lol

What do you mean by flossing?