I went to twitter today and commented on a thread where a ton of people were arguing that fining a millionaire $130k for a normal speeding ticket is totally fair & that this millionaire is then totally evil if they leave that country.

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Jealousy is a really toxic trait, that can really delude people… What else is new

How do you propose we make fine-based punishment an equal punishment regardless of financial means?

That's a good question, but I think the fine based punishment model within a monopolistic institution is a poor model to begin with. I admit it isn't an easy problem to solve, but the above method is crap, imo, and will produce extremely negative results for many more people over the long term.

I think privilege and access control with competing providers gives better incentives and results. Though it's not like we can just overnight implement something like that.

I’m not a fan of the $130k speeding ticket either, but what is a deterrent if it doesn’t deter? What is a law if it only applies to the poor?

Perhaps time is the great leveler? I could get down with more community service if properly randomized and administered.

You're assuming that the fines should be proportional to the wealth of the violator rather than proportional to the inconvenience caused by the violator as a result of the action being fined.

The question isn't how to make fines proportional to wealth, the question is how to make fines proportional to actual inconvenience caused rather than assessed arbitrarily by the state.

The goal of a deterrent is to deter. If it’s only a deterrent to certain classes of people, you’ve created a systemic problem.

I’m not necessarily in favor of the scaled approach. Dude said AMA so I did.

In a world where money earned actually represents value produced, I have no problem with people with more money having to worry less about fines. If something is really a crime, there should be more punishment then a fine anyway. A fine usually only applies to crimes where something inconvenient or reckless happened but nobody actually was a victim of.

Moral of the story is, don't go to Twitter if you're seeking sane and rational discourse :)

Is this communist virus spread too much and does it means we have to isolate and create parallel society in the meat space?

Possibly. I think localism is the solution to all of these major problems. And luckily Bitcoin destroys the false incentives that get in the way of natural localism, so we should see a significant return to local incentives and capital nurturing.

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Excellent question. I have no good answer

Did you let them know that nostr has a billionaires who only walk policy?

The people don't understand money or it's creation.

They do see how much of it is out there though.

They want more of it for themselves.

So they vote for who promises to take it and give it to them.

Great system.

Thank god we have bitcoiners

The real question is if nobody is harmed, why should there be punishment of any form?

And another one is, how enforceable is all of that ticketing really? Employing 1/1000 people to police the others is proving to be ridiculously expensive and a much greater cost to society than the crimes they are meant to prevent.

Yea good point. Almost like the Post Office model. Pretty much designed to lose money. But in all seriousness, other than revenue generation to whatever degree it helps or hurts, the main purpose is to give pretense to harass and violate privacy. They make up any old BS reason and next thing ya know your car is being tossed.

This is the way

That's an interesting question too. I suspect incentives would be far better without speed limits and instead using insurance, liability, & road/space design to align driver and incentives. Its actually a massive state created problem that roads and inner cities have done top-down development that put the car as the focus of movement. Its destroyed the connection of local community and made people aggressive drivers who treat pedestrians not as the prime owners of the space, but as a nuisance. It literally leads to the type of behavior that makes the roads dangerous and makes people feel that they "own the road" while in the car and that everyone else is getting in their way.

The autobahn is a decent example of how the lack of speed limits and arbitrary punishment don't create disaster, it creates a different, more natural order. then another great example is a packed city that had an experiment in a small area that was hugely disconnected because of a big intersection and busy multilane road that created a huge division between major blocks -- they took the huge intersection and made a round about, and they removed all of the curbs so the bricked sidewalks merged right into the road. The only separation was difference in material. Basically overnight the community got hugely more connected, the pedestrians were way safer, the drivers were more aware, the intersection wasn't constantly packed with angry drivers, and foot traffic for business on both sides of the road sky rocketed. It literally transformed from a road that disconnected people, to a communal space.

TL;DR, design and natural development are far better at producing positive incentives and aligning behavior than top-down "planning" and broad sweeping rules and punishments.

Did you wash afterwards?

Why do you still use Twitter?

Apples and oranges around the world, but I've seen how Americans get ticketed. They enforce by employing a disproportionate percentage of their population to police the others. It's not an answer to deal with the offense to begin with.

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But what if they are barely a millionaire? Then that’s like 13% of their stuff….

These are forecasting of what’s about to come. When bitcoin reach hundreds of thousands they will do the same thing. Trying to prying out of our hands through various exploits.

Why is our society full of such silly individuals?

How do you see that's handled in localism?

Eye for an eye? No fines, but you'll be run over if you run over someone. Can be settled.

This reminds me of Steve Jobs parking wherever he damn well felt like it, particularly in handicapped. Not only that, but he leased a new car every 6 months so that he didn't have to put plates on his car ever.

Money matters. Unless you're actually hurting somebody, no speeding ticket is worth that much money. I'd definitely consider fleeing the country over a comical speeding ticket.

No victim

No crime

Don't given stupid people

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