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Isn't that what they used to say about soybeans as well? Vaguely recall jokes about man boobs.
Come to think of it, i think they might feed cows soybeans.
I know that when making butter it matters a whole lot what the cows were fed. If cows were 100% grass fed your butter would be quite soft, but if you make butter from cows that were mostly fed with corn or (in some cases) (additional) palm oil your butter will be hard as a rock.
I think it matters a lot what the cows were fed and what was in it.
Mostly typical media hysteria what we're discussing here on some bleeding edge science with 1 paper and no peer reviews. It's what media does to sell ads.
I drink over a litre of raw milk a day, have been for 6 months, have more muscle than ever and I go to the gym less than I did before. take that as you will
When I researched this a long ago it came down to modern milk cows being kept continuously pregnant. Before this milk wasn't so bad.
More likely to be all the pharmaceutical's in our poorly recycled water supplies...
Nah, you can't discus this in this cohort. They have their belief locked in, the fact is that Soy contains Phytoestrogens (plant oestrogen) which has no effect on mammals - where as cows milk is literally mammalian milk and therefore contains mammalian oestrogen and very much affects other mammals - such as humans.
There is a whole section on Nutrition Facts about this
https://nutritionfacts.org/?s=oestrogen
I will no doubt get abused for this but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm on milk since ever and still not even close to feminine..as a woman, goddamit. Should I elevate the intake?👀
e-edc's enter dairy products from various sources. Environmental pollution, medicinal pollution, use of plastics, and so on. It is not right to blame dairy products. Lets do not consume dairy products. Would it be solved? No. We will continue to get exposed to e-edcs. We have to change environmental thinking and get rid of plastics.
I think this is a little far fetched, a man would have to consume massive quantities all day everyday to achieve anything remotely as close to this.
Agreed! This is the problem with a lot of these types of statements. Yes milk/dairy contains a small concentration of estrogen, yes dairy may make up a large percentage of estrogens consumed. But unless dairy intake is really excessive I doubt it would have any effect at all. Males do need some estrogen anyway, diet is all about finding the correct balance.
Perfectly said!
I think the concern here is that there are estrogen-dependent cancers like breast cancer, so logically if we consume milk containing estrogen it could potentially increase the risk of such cancers. However I think epidemiological studies didnt found an association between milk consumption and cancer risk.
Can’t confirm this. In fact I can see a different effect on my body, but that’s just me. Everyone is different and nutrition is a very complex topic
BS. There Other worse factor specially factors during pregnancy and infancy. Search BPA plastic in baby bottles. It is the use of chemical components in your daily life. It’s the smell of a new car. Your grand parents drank milk without q problem, they however didn’t have plastic everywhere and didn’t use Teflon pans and lived in houses full of glue
Max. I think this is full of shit.
Just like ball sunning Max, it's bullshit.
“Studies” can show whatever those funding them want . 😏
I put milk in my coffee. And have it with my cereal. I've lived a long time. Still don't have any man boobs, and my pecker works well. Tight! Blessed..🍆😊
Milk is good 😊
Soy milk have more effect i drink milk since i was kid today im still manly
Did you know we now let cows get pregnant with their next calf while we are still milking them from their previous? This puts pregnancy hormones into the milk. And then we drink it. Cows used to have calves, then dry up, then get pregnant with the next calf. Now we overlap that shit to get more output.
I am not a fan of commercial milk because of this practice. I think it likely is responsible for the increase in breast cancer.
just FYI, that shit can also make your prostate swell up. so if you are waking up in the middle of the night to pee / not able to fully empty your bladder, suggest you try cutting milk.
There’s really something to discuss? Why we bitcoiners need to find the biggest BS in the world? 😂
Most of your body's oestrogen comes from it's own testosterone being broken down. This mainly occurs in fat cells.
This assumes you're not eating soy & avoiding plastic exposure. Seed oils going to make you fat.
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Eating animals and animal products is bad for their health.
I wonder what difference there is from grass fed raw milk to commercially produced pasteurized milk.
To be a REAL man you’ll get on your knees and suck off the cow raw in the field just like nature intended! 😂
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I prefer the B-Komplex
Don't ruin milk dude
Got milk? 😀😀😀
dairy is not the issue its chemicals and soy. If you really want to learn what causes high levels of estrogen in men and women read this
https://www.amazon.com/Estrogeneration-Estrogenics-Making-Sick-Infertile/dp/1946546011
What a bummer. I love milk. Maybe I'll have to be a little more cautious about the milk I buy.
The Mongols conquered half the world on mare’s milk & blood.
I call bullshit.
"Science" sponsored by the soy industry
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