Proton launched Lumo today as their private A.I. solution and imo there’s a lot of problems with it.

Namely that you’re trusting proton not to keep logs. Personally I don’t trust that.

If you’re looking for a better privacy focused A.I. product I highly recommend Maple A.I.

A lot of people don’t realize that the mutiny wallet team pivoted after the DOJ went after their business model and is now Maple.

Full disclosure I’m an investor but I genuinely believe they’ve delivered a better product than proton.

My favorite thing so far is being able to use deepseek without leaking data to the CCP.

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Going to take a look. 👀

Good to have options like Maple and Lumo services vs. cucked by big tech

It’s terrific and getting better really rapidly. Amazing for 2 people.

I’d choose Proton all day versus the big boys, but Maple’s approach is best.

Cool I’ll try it out, it’s this one aight? https://trymaple.ai/

Yep!

Trying it out, thanks

Also nostr:nprofile1qqsdy27dk8f9qk7qvrm94pkdtus9xtk970jpcp4w48k6cw0khfm06mspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchsj08ren is a great option. Pay per prompt with btc

PPQ is great too

Maple AI cofounder here.

I'm glad that more people are starting to care about privacy with AI. We've watched a few companies enter this space so far, and yet we are still the only one who goes all the way with letting users verify the code for themselves.

You can see our client and server code on GitHub. The client shows you the cryptographic proof that it is connected to the code you see on GitHub. If it's not, the client refuses to connect. Any user is able to make a reproducible build of the code and get the same cryptographic proof.

Think of it as the new version of SSL, that 🔒 lock icon next to the website address in your browser.

http -> https -> httpse (secure enclaves)

nostr:nprofile1qyjhwumn8ghj7en9v4j8xtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0dakku62ltamx2mn5w4ex2ucpxpmhxue69uhkjarrdpuj6em0d3jx2mnjdajz6en4wf3k7mn5dphhq6rpva6hxtnnvdshyctz9e5k6tcqyp7u8zl8y8yfa87nstgj2405t2shal4rez0fzvxgrseq7k60gsrx6zeuh5t is built on the premise of Don't Trust, Verify.

Yes, there are people who still don't want to trust secure enclaves. They are always able to run local AI models. The trade off is slower AI that is less accurate. Do what fits your risk profile.

Maple AI gives you the power of cloud compute with near local privacy. And it still stands out unique from the crowd of private AIs as giving you full visibility into how your encrypted data is handled.

Feel free to drop any questions here or tag me else where. I'm very active on Nostr and dedbird.

I'm a happy customer. can't wait to see the capabilities increase. already great, but I'm sure it'll be even better all the time

Glad to hear it! What are the top things you’d like to see next?

Live data similar to grok 🙌🏾🙏🏾

The ability to pay with bitcoin on a monthly basis instead of yearly as well would be incredible.

primarily web search.

not only is it really useful for responses to prompts, but it would also act as an alternative to DuckDuckGo and other private search engines.

When on android? Via nostr:nprofile1qqs83nn04fezvsu89p8xg7axjwye2u67errat3dx2um725fs7qnrqlgzqtdq0

Near the top of our list!

How does the privacy and security compare to Venice that remains local?

Venice follows a “trust we don’t log” policy. Their servers see the queries that hit the AI but claim to not save them. You can’t be sure the code running on the servers.

Maple uses confidential computing combined with open source which lets users verify the code themselves.

Hmm ok, thanks!

Is it fair to say that with Maple, we don't have to trust Maple (assuming we read the source code), but we do have to trust AWS?

Don't trust, verify your AI. nostr:nprofile1qyjhwumn8ghj7en9v4j8xtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0dakku62ltamx2mn5w4ex2ucpxpmhxue69uhkjarrdpuj6em0d3jx2mnjdajz6en4wf3k7mn5dphhq6rpva6hxtnnvdshyctz9e5k6tcqyp7u8zl8y8yfa87nstgj2405t2shal4rez0fzvxgrseq7k60gsrx6zeuh5t is still the only private AI that lets you see and verify the server code for yourself. Thanks, Hodl 🤙

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Appreciate the transparency. Totally agree — privacy theater isn’t the same as real privacy. Proton’s whole model still asks for trust, and that’s a red flag for anyone who’s been around the block. Maple’s pivot makes sense given the heat Mutiny was getting — and the fact that they’re shipping something actually useful and aligned with cypherpunk values? Respect. Deepseek without data leakage is a game-changer.

Good for sensitive prompts, but hard to beat Grok for non sensitive prompts. There’s room for both

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https://proton.me/blog/lumo-ai

Yeah I’m saying you have to trust that claim from proton and I’m not sure I trust it

Fair enough, I guess if you do not trust their 3rd party auditor Securitum then maybe alternatives like MapleAI are better for you.

Proton VPN no-logs security audit 2024

https://drive.proton.me/urls/ED8G4GC5MG#pM52Y8RMXIKn

Go look at it! It's the only promising private AI service I've found so far. They need to improve a lot, but it's a good start. https://trymaple.ai

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Any comments about DuckDuckGo's AI?

Do you know if native mobile apps are on the roadmap?

What's your take on Venice vs Maple? I've been testing out Venice but haven't tested Maple yet, but will

I like Venice too

Good to know

Is this homomorphic encryption? Or is it decrypted temporarily at the LLM server?

I don’t believe they are homophobic no

😆

Oh didn’t know proton released an ai chat app. Will check it out. Thanks for bringing it up

Uh.. . . Nope

Will try it.

I usually use duck duck chat

Can someone explain or least provide a link to how maple.ai gets around the trust requirement? How do I know that maple.ai doesn’t keep logs?

I’m not sure, but I’m sure nostr:nprofile1qqsgafy9ye4j9p2x8vfmlq6equtpcg4m8ks7v545g0d3f7wwueeq5scprfmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ycmgv43kktndv5hsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshssdt5n3 can answer

As someone who has multiple paid AI subscriptions for work, genuinely interested, however why only access to mid tier open source models? Why not the full 671b parameter model ? I am guessing if I am using grok 4 they are not limiting to a 70b parameter model.

On another note is there a road map for which other models they are going to add? And do they have basic tools such as web search etc? Do they also allow for api access ?

nostr:npub136jg2fnty2z5vwcnh7p4jpckrs3tk0dpueftgs7mznuuaenjpfps6tjnxf can you explain? is there a technical solution as to why we don’t have to trust maple.ai?

or is the claim just that maple.ai is more trustworthy?

We use confidential computing. Secure enclaves provide cryptographic proofs of the code running on them. A user can build the open source code and compare the fingerprint to the secure enclave.

Lots of details in our tech primer here https://blog.opensecret.cloud/opensecret-technicals/

perfect. thanks for the reply/link.

What is it dude? ChatGPT equivalent but de centralised?

In a way, yes. nostr:nprofile1qyjhwumn8ghj7en9v4j8xtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0dakku62ltamx2mn5w4ex2ucpxpmhxue69uhkjarrdpuj6em0d3jx2mnjdajz6en4wf3k7mn5dphhq6rpva6hxtnnvdshyctz9e5k6tcqyp7u8zl8y8yfa87nstgj2405t2shal4rez0fzvxgrseq7k60gsrx6zeuh5t is ChatGPT but with privacy, encryption, and open source.

You said there's a lot of problems with Proton's AI service, then only listed one vague criticism that could be equally true for the one you are invested in and promoting.

According to the maple guys there’s is auditable in a way that Lumo is not. Honestly I’m not technically inclined enough to know what or why that is.

Then what are your other issues with Proton? You said there's a lot of problems with it.

The A.I. is extremely woke and there’s no ability to switch models.