i do feel as if nostr is male centered. it is getting better, but it’s obvious that the treatment of women is different, and not in a positive way.
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Really?
that’s just my experience, though you see i’m still here everyday. i’m not bothered by it, but i will say how i feel.
I think it is a side effect of having a lot of followers. some people follow you to show their support and love and some people follow you to show a superiority by making gender joke. i was once being told "dressing slutty" when help organizing a meetup. well, a tech meetup. it is so annoying but i wont let these things stop me pursuing my goal, just like you are still being here. :) love you.
🥹 you put it perfectly. love u. and i’m sorry that happened to you, that’s awful and just unnecessary.
Any examples?
most recent one nostr:note1fcjj560wgplm3naxgv0h4yf4sfklya248lc5kezt0tlxkeg3vv8qsf3kqq
Isn’t that just an asshole? 😂 mute works wonders on them
100%, we can’t neglect the fact that men on are more unlikely to get comments like this though.
Wait, she said nostr wasn't an echo chamber. I said the one thing that hadn't been said to prove it was an echo chamber.
Also haven't seen any dudes get tipsy and flash a Lil Gooch on here yet.
Muting them is a thing but also calling them out and having positive male role models is the way to go!
Sadly those type of men understand better they are idiots when decent men call them out
I haven’t counted and r eh were definitely not sexual comments in nature (not comparing) but I do get some trolls. I’m quick on the mute because they are not worth my time or attention.
good thinking.
In all fairness, he did say the same thing about my saggy balls.
sorry that dbag insulted your boobs. some ppl are just assholes. i think they are great fwiw ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
whats wrong with this muskeeto guy??????
sorry for all these things roya.
Just a lot of talking about meat lol
It’s fine feel free to continue just an example
Women like meat too
I’m sorry you’ve had that experience… perhaps try following different plebs? Everyone I’ve interacted with on NOSTR has been super kind.
it’s not people i follow <3 a majority of everyone i’ve interacted with has been incredibly kind. i’m talking about a few outliers, and obvious trolls that prevent me from wanting to purple pill my friends.
Don’t let the bad seeds poison your well. Keep on keeping on.
But having more women would probably (ironically) tile the asshole comment ratio down 🤷♂️
it’s true, which is why i’ve said it’s been a lot better, but it’s been hard to tell my friends to ignore the troll comments and see beyond that. they just don’t use it after the first day, and idk how to combat that issue.
how so ?
We will and can change this, slowly but surely. 💫💜🙏
how so? 👀💜
How are women treated differently?
What’s your experience?
it’s not in the sense that they are being treated differently by plebs, but more so that trolls will come after the women rather than the men. it’s a complicated subject matter, i never really give a fuck about the trolls, but i don’t want to forget about people that will be let down and not want to use nostr after dealing with it.
it’s hard to have to tell my girl friends who are on nostr, that they will get some lame ass troll comments, but to see beyond that. they’re not bitcoiners either, so why would they want to stay?
Understood. I think that behaviour pretty much always comes with the faux-anonymity.
I hope is eventually fades out here, and I think it will.
There’s a push for privacy on nostr, but the protocol is extremely open and transparent and ultimately I think nostr ends up being more much open than www.
Eventually being a troll on nostr apps will corrupt the reputation of all your keys across all your apps. Rather like your real life reputation.
I think the internet will bifurcate to an extent between open and dark. People will use either for various use cases. But nostr will very much be open with few if any hiding places for trolling.
… and that should be empowering for women.
What do you think we could do to improve this?
nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m was early twitter mainly male populated?
nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240 said Twitter users were split 25%/75% in favor of males.
Twitter stayed with a heavy sway towards male users.
Guessing it’s because devs have an interest in this which is inherently male dominated atm? 🤷♂️
I’m trying to find nostr:npub1wmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqhjg240 response to me. It was a very thoughtful answer complete with a link to social media usage data broken down by sex. There was more equality or users slanted female on visually focused social media platforms. Twitter and Reddit, mainly text based platforms, slanted male.
It feels like the internet is male centered. Certain pockets of the world. I hate having to feel like the same pipsqueak kid who shouted at an older kid on the bus that I was assigned to sit next to that he didn’t need to spread his legs that much, his dick couldn’t be that big! I’m a grown woman and still feel like I’m having to fight for space.
You’re right. I’m personally exhausted from having to explain why certain demographics don’t feel comfortable in certain spaces. I just stick to observing and engaging when I feel comfortable
Wait what ? I am seeing way more content from woman than guys cant say i see much negativity towards woman or am i missing something
I think that's just the world and this is a microcosm of that. But I have seen more women on here which is good.
Trolls will be trolls. Call them out.
Since being on Nostr for some time and paying a bit of attention who I engaged with, I have seen more real women on here. Sadly I think you are right, it's too male-centered both in the topic being talked about as well as the general vibe of the place.
I talked about this a few days ago.
nostr:npub1csamkk8zu67zl9z4wkp90a462v53q775aqn5q6xzjdkxnkvcpd7srtz4x9 I think we should do a women’s nest to talk about this nostr:npub1el3mgvtdjpfntdkwq446pmprpdv85v6rs85zh7dq9gvy7tgx37xs2kl27r nostr:npub1jaxs73m0zadd7fkwmkef73srdpfkxs6krwdhvkp0axzefqlsrpuqcvsjkt what do you y’all think?
Am I reading you right, you are saying you don't want to invite your lady friends over to nostr because there aren't enough ladies there 🤔
Sound self-defeating to me
not at all, they are on nostr, and i have invited them, i’m saying it’s hard for me to tell them about nostr due to the abundance of trolls vs the amount of women on here as of now. not everyone will have the love of the protocol to see beyond the trolls and stay.
Nostr is male centered because Bitcoin naturally aligns with traditional masculinity.
We're not toxic.
We just want yall women to respect yourself and not post your body for the rest of the world to see or give into the whole feminism/ trans stuff and lose your rights...
you’re forgetting that bitcoin is for everyone. even if you don’t like them. trans people, feminists, and everyone you may hate.
Bitcoin is for everyone, but with clear cut rules that must be followed for it to work long term, it natually aligns with traditional masculinity as the same goes for long term relationships.
I don't hate anyone.
Hate don't live in my heart beacuse I know first hand karma is real.
unfortunately, you can’t force people into that, and there’s nothing said in the bitcoin white paper that says that’s the rule of bitcoin. may i ask, how following these rules are the only way bitcoin can work in the long term?
I don't think your understanding what I'm saying.
I'm not forcing anyone into anything.
All I'm saying is bitcoin and traditional masculinity have alot in common.
I'm not saying everyone into bitcoin fits these roles...
Why do you care if a woman respects herself or not? Why do you even consider it disrespectful to do as they please?
Do you gripe at dudes showing off their masculinity? What’s wrong with a woman feeling sexy and sharing it however they please?
People can do w/e they want to....
Does that mean I have to agree with it and accept it for my own family?
No.
They are not your family 🤷♂️
Am I not allowed to have and form my own opinions now?
Has the world really gotten that bad?
Folks can show w/e they want to the internet.
That does not mean I have to lay down, accept it and be OK with it just because of "freedom"...
Freedom for you may not be the same freedom for me.
Folks can do whatever tf they want, but if it's on the internet, your going to get others forming opinions of your good or bad, weather you like it or not.
You can have whatever opinion you want. The weird part is drawing a direct line between a protocol and biology. It's about a philosophy not social norms. Mother's and housewives can appreciate Bitcoin too.
No one said they couldnt....
I'm just stating that traditional masculinity and bitcoin have ALOT in common.
Then I would suggest a revision to your original comment as follows.
"You believe that Bitcoin is predominantly male because you associate masculinity with the way you interpret the principles of Bitcoin."
Your original comment was emphatic and implied no exception. Doing this often leads to having to explain what you didn't mean instead of successfully communicating what you actually meant.
One. You cannot tell the gender by profile. So the stats might be inaccurate.
Two. You cannot force a gender or race to use/like sth. It must happen gradually over time.
And if it never flies? So be it. Not everything needs to calculated and arranged.
Agree. People need to decide if they want to use Nostr on their own. Yet, there is a hashtag called grownostr which implies a desire to attract more people. More people includes different genders and races.
Also, I'm interpreted the original comment as referring to profiles that overtly identify as female. With pictures, names or conversation topics. People react to who they think they're talking to as much as who they think they aren't talking.
You should see the Plumbers Union
Drop some lady Npubs for us to follow so we can amplify them.
I have honestly not paid that much attention, I must admit.
If there is something I can do to help towards making Nostr less of a scare, please do let me know. Whilst it is far from equal, I have experienced the feeling of being seen as an "outsider" or "someone strange" or alike due to my impairment and interests. Again, definitively not the same, but I still feel like I can empathize to some degree.
Thanks!
Do you mean that there are not enough ladies or that you are having a bad experience?
I don't want to discount negative experiences due to bigotry, these definitely exist.
But besides that, maybe the perceived male-centeredness is real and has to do with the fact that males are more likely to be comfortable with the bare-bones style of what a new technology usually looks like (no offense to the devs who are doing a stellar job working at lightning speed):
Accordingly, in its early days a platform tends to be a sausage fest, and this sets the tone of the conversation for newcomers by default. As the platform grows, and more women join as well, they would feel more comfortable in something closer to this:
The platform itself moves stepwise into that direction, wanting to grow and be more inclusive, usually in order to attract ad revenue. Friction ensues, hostility increases, people feel either stifled or abused or both.
What's so great about #nostr is that vastly more aesthetics and rules of conduct can coexist on the same protocol, than on a single platform! Anyone can use the client(s) they prefer, and use the relays they wish (or even run their own relay). We will definitely run into many novel problems and challenges along the way, but the sheer size of the space of possibilities makes me very optimistic #grownostr
It’s getting better 😀 All kinds of people need to be involved in the creation and development of new technologies in order for it to succeed. We’ll see…..