I'm writing a document covering common objectives to nostr right now. Send me your most convincing FUD
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It’s just for Bitcoiners
It’s for techies
It’s glitchy
Nostr might gradually consolidate to one or a few gigarelays, effectively bringing us back to square one
The difference between Nostr and the centralized social networks is that the former lower the barriers to users to move to another place when their provider doesn't offer a good service. The network effect that centralized social networks have don't allow that the free market really work. This problem is being kind of solved by Nostr.
Nostr’s interoperable open data structure might accelerate the formation of skynet
“Managing keys is difficult”
nostr:npub13azv2cf3kd3xdzcwqxlgcudjg7r9nzak37usnn7h374lkpvd6rcq4k8m54 had some surprisingly good feedback from mentioning it on 4chan, not sure if he saved it?
The protocol and relays use energy that cause boiling oceans
1. what would drive instagram and twt users to nostr? At the end of the day, everyone has to be part of this platform for it to be really called a "newer" and "better" social media.
As far as I have observed, something as simple as "secret key" and "public key" is Greek to non-tech population.
2. crypto-fiat easy conversion would be a welcome step (yes yes i understand bitcoin is the future etcetera) but content creation (YouTube and Instagram) works on the motivation that their creativity and content would be appreciated with fiat money.
3. Fighting government censorship. How would Nostr fare in the long run and escape government censorship?
Totally agree!
Just like free VPNs, free Nostr relays will be incentivized to act as bad actors. Their business model will be to sell user data to third parties. Leaks will also be frequent.
Ooh that's a good one
Mine:
It could've just been a bitcoin telegram group.
Non bitcoin content and non bitcoin content makers will be bored and their content ignored or lost in 'stack sats and stay humble'.
Nostr merely replicates other social media dynamics, zaps don't offer an alternative, they are merely Likes with a low monetary value attached
Zaps actually potentially making content worse by encouraging lazy bitcoin platitudes
Umm I think I have a few more but I'll leave it there lol
damn this comment is a year old but 100% true. nostr is just a complex social network for Bitcoin maxi nerds. if it doesnt outros that, it'll never grow
The data is "yours" but you can't easily migrate from one npub to another
“It’s just full of spam and people talking about cryptocurrencies. [laughs]” — Eugen Rochko, Mastodon CEO https://nostr.build/p/nb4154.mp4
> CEO
haha
Mastadon CEO? NGMI.
Sorry to say but Mastodon was always a failure because the “global” feed literally never worked. By design it has network effects working against it, rather than for it.
I used it for barely a few weeks before I found I couldn’t find anybody I was looking for, was trapped in a very small echo chamber, and had to make a totally different account when I was on a different instance at one point, and I just threw my hands up at that point.
I can’t see how it can ever actually have the momentum necessary to become a scale that matters. And honestly at this point the opportunity is already passed.
Pretty great band though.
That was my experience, too. I migrated my original account to a different server and lost all of my followers. When I reply to anything using mostr.bridge it just creates a burner account on a single instance that looks like shit to anyone reading it on the other side. Mastodon is unusable and not worth my time. I’m glad I found Nostr when I did.
activitypub NGMI
Eugen sounds just I imagined the CEO of Mastodon would.
Think of the children! Or terrorists! Drugs... guns?
For most people no other objective rather than the incentive is relevant. For as long as people don't see traditional social media as a problem, the incentive to change is so little in their eyes.
The goal is to offer the best monetization options for creators in order to bring the best content to Nostr while keeping it as decentralized as possible.
1. It allows ANYONE to have a voice and post freely (racists, pornographers, far right, far left, pro-LGBT, anti-LGBT, anyone sharing or promoting (so called) "fake news"/ " missinfo" / "dissinfo" / "hate speech", etc.
2. It is *too technical*. Comes with more of a learning curve than most legacy social platforms. I.e. which apps or web versions to use, handling public and private keys, how to connect a wallet, understanding what relays are and how they work, etc.
3. Cannot edit or delete content
I am still trying to understand the concept of relays myself Albiet i'm techy.
At their core, relays are actually a pretty straightforward concept, it's just completely different from what we are used to.
Relays are just servers where data is stored that the apps on our devices can fetch and display for us.
It's just that we are used to there only being one server that we all connect to for a given platform, and the entity controlling the server is the same entity producing the app to fetch the data on that server. No one could imagine being able to spin up their own Facebook server, for instance.
With Nostr, there is no limit to the number of servers, and anyone who wants to can even run their own. Moreover, anyone can create apps that fetch data from those servers and display it. The servers and apps just need to be able to understand each other by all speaking the same Nostr language or protocol.
I would love to read it through as i am new here...
FUD for nostr?
it's full of porn and spam
it's all bots and AI
zaps are fake money
relays control what you see
no censorship means it's full of hate for
If popular relays are known publicly, they can easily just be individually censored and make the network unworkable.
“We already have Twitter and Rumble for free speech. We don’t need another new system, we need to use what works.”