Question:
What year did the American Empire end? Or it didn’t end or never existed?
Discussion
Cultural imperialism makes this an extremely tricky question
True.
Curious about your thoughts on that side of the question.
Militarily the empire still holds fairly well and maintain strategic positioning around the globe.
From a monetary point of view it is clearly beginning to crumble. But, they have not said their last word, yet. (They will be forced to sooner or later)
Culturally they have lost a whole lot of ground. The idea of the American dream is mostly dead and that idea was key. Other countries have become as smart as them at playing this cultural imperialism game (Korea?).
the US used to spend money (indirectly, mostly through war) to push its culture in other parts of the globe. Now, they adapt their cultural products to fit other cultures and get their money. That is a clear sign of weakness.
They still have an edge I believe, especially via big cinema. But, series and gaming (incredibly powerful storytelling device) seem to show that they have lost the monopoly.
The empire first got arrogant, always a sign that the end is near. Then somehow, either due to internal arrogance or external influence it started to alienated its allies. It appears weaker, so it is normal that it will be tested by its enemies.
Maybe, soon the period of doubt will be over and we’ll get a clearer picture of the “world order”
The whole east vs west is misleading. It’s US vs THEM we’re everywhere and so are they. Bitcoin and Nostr can fix this.
what america do you mean?
American Empire = DC + a handful of other power centers mostly located in the country between Mexico and canada
no power
it is a worldwide criminal gang the khazarian mafia rothschild rockefeller owning all central banks, the media and most politicians
they are being replaced
And 11 of these
meanwhile russia has superior weapons which can sink them within a few minutes. now they are run by lethally injected gay and weak people. the end
If the escalation is called for, the Russian Poseidon (status-6) nuclear torpedo can take out a carrier strike group. People think they are designed for coastal cities, but I think they are for carrier strike groups and possibly for naval bases. The US has projected power from aircraft carriers for a long time with no good counter, so my guess is that this is the counter. Blowing up a nuke in the ocean isn't going to be seen as horrible as blowing up cities with a nuke, since only military assets will be destroyed and the radiation fallout will be remote and the US blew up south pacific islands over and over and over again so it's safety profile is fairly well known.
Don’t think it did. Maybe we can draw analogies with the Cold War and the Punic Wars if we want to do the whole Rome comparison game.
It's still going. It ends when the USD is no longer WRC.
When/how do you reckon that happens?
There's a number of ways it could play out, it depends on the decisions made by people in power. Trust in the USD system is deteriorating as it is becoming more clear that the debt will never stop growing. Any attempts to get spending under control will cause a global financial crisis, and requires the legislature to cooperate (not happening). Continuing to spend as we are is going to cause more inflation. Inflation will cause loss of trust, especially abroad. BRICS will look for alternatives, and will hopefully settle on Bitcoin eventually. Once a major trade deal is made in Bitcoin (probably for oil) that's the beginning of the end for the USD as WRC.
Might not happen that way, and I think it depends just as much on what BRICS does as it does on what the US and Europe does. The status quo will continue as long as it is beneficial for the majority of the major players. The Fed has bought some time with the interest rate moves in the last year, but it is stressing the system and the interest will come due and cause problems over time, or something could break and force a change in policy. Who knows. All I know is the system is fucked and the only thing holding it together is faith which I will not put my trust in.
We’re coming to find out that in the world we’re moving into (declining demographics, multipolar geopolitical landscape, etc) having the reserve currency proves to be more of a burden than a benefit. It’s easy to run financial deficits when the rest of the world is dependent on your money to trade and store value. In a multipolar world, sustained trade deficits makes you the dependent.
The United States will at some point lose reserve currency status but will retain military and economic dominance by virtue of having the most productive economy, and the largest combined resources of gold, fossil fuels, bitcoin, semiconductor manufacturing, etc.
Our economic dominance is by virtue of having WRC, not because of any sort of American exceptionalism. Without it we won't be able to steal from the rest of the world and our economic power will fall in line with the actual value we produce. Probably still a top 5 country, but nowhere near where we currently are.
Our economic dominance and WRC was by virtue of being the only viable economy on which to back a currency for the past 80 years, and continues to be so to this day.
It’s not American exceptionalism. It’s American reality. No other country possesses the American consumer. China would have to hallow out their manufacturing to shoulder the burden of WRC, something they’re not willing to do, and because of their coming demographic collapse, they lack the population to field a successful service-based economy.
WRC acts as a syphon that drains the world of its resources into the US. It's theft and our success is built on that theft. 80 years ago things were different, but the reality today is the US is a bubble waiting to be popped.
Correct. And if you and I know this, how long do you think other heads of state have known?
The reality is, the world is dependent on us because even getting siphoned slowly in USD is better than holding any other fiat currency. Without other countries holding the dollar, they’d have to purchase oil in their local currencies.
Good luck with that lmao
Until something better comes along. Bitcoin maybe?
The problem with buying oil in hard currency is, for poor nations, they end up not being able to afford energy as the price gets bid up by economies of scale.
We’re moving towards a world where energy gets priced in USD, CNY, Gold, and bitcoin, depending on who’s trading with who. And for the poor countries, they’ll have to use another country’s fiat as a reserve in order to access the energy market because they’ll struggle to acquire enough hard currency to satisfy their energy needs.
1971.
I know I don’t have the knowledge to put my finger on it, but I was born in 73, everything they taught me about our economy being the result of a free market turned out to be a lie,, since I have been alive it wasn’t free and it’s been less and less free since.
nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft , this may be a good time to ask, I had reached out to my most trusted #nostr connection, well, nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424 , I was asking if he knew of any kind of project that may be going on or knew anyone talking about creating a way for users to connect through marketplaces and shop for each other or just shop for others who want to buy products that someone has access to in their geo locations. My reasoning was because I am seriously trying to persuade my GF that we should use our airline points to fly to Santa Barbara , hit the farmers market , take the train down to LA from there and stop to pick up some other products along the way ,, then fly them back .. we get 2 50 lb bags to check each for free , that’s a lot of food .. anyways .. I thought . Crap, why not make it possible for someone to participate and get rewarded with their own groceries ? You would have users that just use the system to have product delivered , users who participate to pay for their own food , and I guess some other kinds I can’t think of ? I would totally be willing to go and find local farmers and get them setup in a marketplace, like maybe you have a relay with a market place that nests several market places into it and everyone who setup a marketplace in the main hub has their own marketplace that’s a backup and used to update the main public marketplace . . Do you know of anything happening or think that is an idea to work on ? I mean , I have several kitchen manager friends who are not governed by law or ordinance on who they can buy produce from to sell in their Resturant’s.. at least they could start sourcing their ingredients for the best products that make their products better and not have to use all the same local distribution channels ..
Still existing, the military is way superior to every else and USD is still used everywhere
Would a significant portion of the world’s economy moving online make this physical power less relevant?l to the point where the empire can crumble and the American military still be far dominant?
Generally when an empire crumbles the military falls along with it. It usually takes a while for the perception of the military strength of the empire to fall back into reflecting reality though. The reserve currency status is always the last vestige of greatness that the empire clings onto after the empire has fallen away.
I hope a Bitcoin economy will shrink governments and militaries over time and dominance over other countries may not be as necessary as today to do well. Maybe countries with a bigger economy and smaller military are in a better position after the transition. Maybe it will continue like today, as it's maybe necessary to invade countries for energy to mine bitcoin. Many possible outcomes...
If there is no real difference, whether you say the empire has fallen or not is just a semantic thing.
The difference is whether the military dominates and whether the currency dominates.
If you are wondering whether the still-powerful miliary would take actions to ensure that the less-powerful currency continues to dominate, then that is an interesting question. I think the answer is probably yes. Some people interpret American military interventions as a defense of dollar hegemony, and ignore the claimed reasons.
It hasn't started yet. The real American Empire will start after WWIII.
Hot take. You didn’t disappoint 🙌🙌
What will it look like and how will it be different than what we’ve had in the 100ish years?
Who is gonna bomb America? Nor Russians get the balls for it neither chinese. Iran's mullahs hope to do it but they don't have both the balls and means for that. Strongly hope for Irano America alliance with mullahs asses kicked so hard and wipe them entirely the scums of all time.
Never. This Regime is just Russia's proxy
It hasn't ended yet. Not all empires end like Austria-Hungary, the British Empire or the Soviet Union, with a sudden geographical disintegration.
More likely Roman empire style death
Yeah, that's what I think. The US, like Rome, is mainly a commercial empire. The internal market aspect typical of 18-19th century empires was accomplished with the Manifest Destiny doctrine, the conquest/purchase of Spanish, French, Mexican and Russian possessions, and the Atlantic-Pacific railroad.
Still very much alive and well IMO. Ukraine conflict? Yeah.
2028
The American empire ends when the United States stops having the most military bases in other countries than any other country on earth. Military dominance is the meta. The empire ends when it is put down by a new empire, like every empire before it
It’s towards the end
It hasn't ended yet. Still dominates militarily. Still has reserve currency. The writing is on the wall though. I'm guessing 2031.
Interesting. I'd love your thought on this:
Regardless of the "online" part of the question, my question is if necessarily the fact that US dominates militarily implies they are still the American Empire or whether the Empire could fall and they would still dominate militarily.