If Elon Musk really unblocks the Brazilian accounts the emperor might ban Twitter in Brazil. Will this be the Nostr moment?
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Maybe a small moment for nostr, a bigger moment for vpn usage.
VPN must be the best lie ever to be told. A centralised service, used by everyone who doesn't want to be seen all in one convenient log for the CIA to read.
Oh, and you pay for it!
What would you say about Tor?
Also, would you say Mullvad is different?
I don't know....
Do you know how tor works? I don't. I trust that millions of other people use it and seems to not have been reports, but in actually I can't trust it if I can't really verify? It seems that I get different IPS and that kinda makes me happy for some uses.
I don't know anything about mullvad.
I don't know how exactly it works but nostr:npub1f6ugxyxkknket3kkdgu4k0fu74vmshawermkj8d06sz6jts9t4kslazcka probably does.
I do know how Tor works, and only an organization like the CIA could deploy enough routing nodes to spy on anyone through it... And they won't get everyone they cast their net for. So it's mostly kosher... Just don't do anything very illegal there, because they may be casting a net for you if you do.
How do I know you are not CIA?
If you just want to go around a censor, vpn, free vpn even, will do the job. CIA may read your traffic, but for many the point is to get around the censor not to gain more privacy.
(I'm not advocating for this as the perfect solution, just *expecting* this is what the majority chooses to do)
I thought about this and you have a point. There is THAT use where you just want to trick netflix or watch youtube from china.
But ultimately you are placing "url + ip + location + datetime + associated address + date of birth .. " in the hands of a VPN you know nothing about.
I never said there is a good privacy with VPNs, one can be quite sure selling detailed user data is a part of the biz. But many don't care or don't think about it much. The only thing that matters to them is if it gets them the content they want. That might change if there are arrests based on the VPN data, but first people will just use the easiest thing to go around the obstacle.
Of course I'm CIA, you should know, because you're CIA as well 🤣. (My imperfect english is just a "camouflage" 😉)
VPN is a temporary solution. China's experience shows that govs can quickly block it too. People should learn to use Nostr.
Agreed, but (in the near future, sadly) most of them will learn how to use VPNs and never learn about nostr.
It could end up being its first serious durability test too
O Brazilzilzil já era ! Esse país não tem salvação,até porque,o próprio Povo não quer ser livre! Enquanto para a maioria dos brasileiros a prioridade for : carne,cerveja,futebol,novela,big brother e putaria,infelizmente nada nunca vai mudar nesse bananal tupiniquim.
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When was the last time that upon revealing mass surveillance, unlawful discrimination, war crimes, evidence of torture and atrocities, changed the state of things?
This is situation is many big countries now esp before elections Brasil is NOT ALONE in this regard
Any Relay Admin may also have comply with gov directives n rules
So only diff for gov agency is instead contacting Elon or Zuck now they have hunt 200+ ADMINs and send to notice to comply
I'm afraid they won't have it that easy, vast majority of relays are not in Brazil to begin with and those few that are might not even be found, the police here is way less capable that they like to have us believe when it comes to technology.
exactly the point more relays pops up more difficult to implement n enforce. doesn't matter which juris. same shit happen / happening in other places too . relay entry geoip entry /exit wont matter also - easiest fish to catch is by DNS famous names ws://dnsname.com @note183ecjg9lvjzvryp3n8qp9w20jzvyc5ddlg5z0xw5rcukafxk8crq68qrjd
Better even it gets with relays running over TOR, many clients have full support for it already as well, both the relays and the users being anonymous is the Cadillac of free social media
that is also happening many relays 2 entries gates - backend db same
most important non-technical decentralization - admins
Merci captjack ce matin par contre il y a un lien sur certaines notes évoquant une espèce geyserfound pour le Brésil
A Brazilian accounts? How many zeros is that? Seems like to high a number.
For some, at least. Is that time when people ask "is there any alternative?". Many already know or have heard about Nostr, but feel lazy enough to not use it. Others have so many followers on X or a business running, those probably will try a VPN before anything else. Personally, I feel that it's a strong alert. Even if something happen to "the emperor", the current "president" will replace him with another scum, even worse. What comes next? Seizing passports? I don't know.
Those here who still have a twitter account! It's a good moment to spread Nostr existence for brazilians and the rest of the world watching it. I do believe most of them there are not even aware of Nostr existence.
Either way, Nostr wins, the people win
At some point, the people need to stop being the in-between of a Newton's cradle between Elon and the gov'ts.
If this happens, might be a good opportunity to use some of the donation money on marketing
What specifically do you have in mind?
send em to me for a welcome pic - I love Brasil!
nostr:npub1h50pnxqw9jg7dhr906fvy4mze2yzawf895jhnc3p7qmljdugm6gsrurqev nostr:npub1r0rs5q2gk0e3dk3nlc7gnu378ec6cnlenqp8a3cjhyzu6f8k5sgs4sq9ac thoughts? Could this be a good opportunity?
Not sure if you need money to take advantage of that - just have some big-ish accounts try to trend under relevant topics on Twitter.
But, chances are “nostr” is already being throttled back in reach.
will brazilians care about freedom? i truly hope so
La plus grosse partie des jeunes s'était expatriée sous Bolsonaro sur l'Europe très peu au Portugal
The Emperor?
Brasilian Supreme Court
Not a single one of these guys deserve the air they breath, but the bald one needs to be toppled asap
are the outboxes ready?
Oui et non ce pays est résilient, vous savez dans nos tous "grands* Etats au Monde l'armée a un pouvoir et une certaine technicité pour suivre tous les systèmes de communication externe / interne des populations ..
Elle répond et excecute des ordres ..Elles sont de plus en plus performantes au niveau informatique..Brésil sous Bolsonara fait des pays qui se sont dotés du pire logiciel d'espionnage Pegasus..un logiciel très efficace dans des endroits sous tension ou en dictature .
Vous savez si vous êtes recherché et êtes sur nostr ne vous dites pas surtout protégé. enfin c'est sous cette présidence que le Brésil s'est le plus fragilisé sur le plan social, mais aussi geostratégique puisque l'ancien Président avait mis aux enchères tous les aéroports, ports sans oublier de nombreux territoires d'indigènes du Pays qui ne devraient d'être que nationaux sans oublier la plus grande vente d'une partie de 'Amazonie ..c'est à cette période qu'une grande partie du peuple est parti en exil ..
Unfortunately, brazilians will become Threads users, most people here are slaves by choice, they can’t understand what is going on.
Bluesky is having a huge influx of Brazilians atm
Would be awesome.
Shellenberger with a good summary of the #Brazil Twitter censorship.
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Que assim seja! 💜💜💜
Aguardemos os próximos capítulos 🫶
Probably!
Welcome #Brasilianstr! 🫂🇧🇷💜
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It's an intriguing scenario that underscores the delicate balance between platform control and user freedom. If Twitter faces challenges in Brazil, it could indeed become a pivotal moment for Nostr as users seek alternatives that offer more decentralized and uncensored communication channels. At PODCONF, we advocate for Sensible Censorship, carefully balancing freedom and control to enhance Bitcoin's narrative and value effectively in every environment.
#DigitalFreedom #SensibleCensorship #PODCONF
Nostr ne répond pas à certaines situations c'est si on disait certains citoyens de États de l'Inde doivent être sur nostr. Cela ne résoudrait certaines situations dans certains pays même en avance .
Peut-être j'ai rien compris aimerais savoir en quoi *nostr résout * ou Bitcoin résout qui est d'une redondance ubuesque sur la plate-forme comme l'ere de la décentralisation des plate-forme qui a débutée mais qui ne le sont pas encore complétement !?
Nostr ne répond pas à certaines situations, c'est-à-dire si nous disons que certains citoyens des États indiens doivent être sur nostr. Cela ne résoudrait pas, même à l’avance, certaines situations dans certains pays.
C'est effectivement une question complexe ! Nostr et Bitcoin offrent chacun des outils de décentralisation mais ne constituent pas des solutions complètes à tous les problèmes politiques ou sociaux. Nostr facilite la communication non censurée, tandis que Bitcoin offre une autonomie financière au-delà des systèmes traditionnels. Tous deux font partie d’un mouvement plus large vers la décentralisation, visant à réduire la dépendance à l’égard des autorités centralisées. À mesure que ces plateformes évoluent, leur rôle dans la résolution de problèmes nationaux ou mondiaux spécifiques continuera de se développer. Il s'agit d'un processus continu, et l'innovation et l'adoption continues sont essentielles à son efficacité.
#Décentralisation #Bitcoin #Nostr
Only if you promise not to ban Brazil too.
No, people in Brazil will learn what is VPN and its usages.
Oh they will, I remember last time they banned whatsapp there and the average Joe got intimate with VPNs on the same day, Brazilian judiciary is jurassic when it comes to technology and common people can easily stay 3 steps ahead if they want.
Prepararse para una oleada brasilera
En 2009 tout j''ai parcouru quand tout le Brésil, en Europe la plupart des médias disaient qu' il y a des tensions et qu'en favelas ça brûlait.. Il n'y a rien j'ai l'un de mes périples au monde que j'aie pu organiser en côtoyant toutes les diverses types de classes sociales.. Il ne se passait rien au Brésil.. Je me méfie de certaines sources de médias lorsqu'ils évoquent certaines tensions sur un territoire sous les flashs médiatiques
Good thing I'm learning Portugues at the moment
I really hope the dick head has the guts to block twitter in Brazil, that would be great for freedom in general. More people will learn about VPN, privacy, bitcoin, nostr... One thing lead to another.
decentralization STARTS with USER HABIT not technology
Corrigez moi le VPN n'est pas autorisé dans les pays et les forces de l'ordre de voire l'armée de certains ont le droit d'accès pour des raisons d'intérêt commun.. Toutes ses protections, et droits.. sur lesquels j'ai été formés et puis sensibilisent toute personne j'ai en face en termes de droits et de libertés sont bafoués et sont devenus obsolètes en plus de celles votees durant la pandémie globalement
In Brazil you can still access VPN services, but the vast majority of people only consume the content available after the censorship.
J knew this beautifulest country
J was in this country and the divers sort of citizens who live their. Travelling with them j remember living at Puerto Seguro also fronm mango seca aracaju to Rio de Janeiro how they live.. But we have to Carreful about the news medias internet etc in 2009 in Europe everyone taken about Brazil burning j wanted to cancel my journey.. They were no troubles anywhere
we will win in the end.
human soul leaves for freedom, even if the mind is not aware
My perspective is a Catholic one. My Lord warned us that they would persecute us and His Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail, non prævalebunt. I do my part, and I try to deal with the consequences the best way possible.
A criptografia permitirá a todos expressarem-se e transacionarem bens de valor através de aplicações que seguem os conceitos do NOSTR. Isso trará privacidade e total liberdade, escapando de sanções impróprias. Essa evolução possibilitará um mundo mais livre, onde o papel do governo será gradualmente reduzido e, eventualmente, não mais financiado.
Nous en France nous avons eu la Loi Sécurité Globale qui a été lourdement contestée.. Malheureusement on on se dit libre à pourtant cette loi a eu ses prémices sous le coup d'émotions liées à des attentats, la pire loi liberticide avec la loi signalement ' suite aux nombreux combattants des femmes contre la violence eh bien les forces ont droit à accéder à toutes vos données avec le concours des Gafam seul Twitter résistait à l' époque.. J'étais écœurée parce que toutes ses lois vont à l'encontre des droits individuels qui n'ont plus de primauté à partir du moment qu'il y a cette notion du bien comme tel qu'est aussi le patriot act aux USA.
Ici nous reste la 'CNIL née' en 78 avant la création du Web par Sir Tim Bernes Lee en France pour nous défendre..
D' ailleurs lors du témoignage de Mudge durant les Twitter files ce gars a dû reconnaître qu'aujourd'hui c'est l'une des institutions opubliques qui protègent et défendent les citoyens en ligne contre l'état et certains tribunaux
I really hope so... I def could use some momas and wifey likes and zaps! 😂😂😂
Eu falo pra quem conheço que a nossa única chance é o nostr.
In fact, all this news speaks of mass technological illiteracy of people, which will ultimately lead to the implementation of his idea of a chipped brain upgrade and total degradation if people do not overcome their laziness and begin to acquire basic knowledge about technology and the network.
Ça passe par des fonds dédiés à l'éducation, même en Europe nous avons des masses qui à ce jour ne savent guère utiliser les nouvelles technologies leurs mobiles leur servent à prendre des photos ou appeler sans moindre frais avec des apps surtout WhatsApp
Le frère doit enseigner au frère.
Les programmes éducatifs allouent des fonds uniquement aux domaines d'intérêt personnel des gestionnaires. La société doit prendre conscience de la puissance de l’open source et commencer à collaborer sur des projets open source.
I really hope so!
Perhaps an opportunity for the masses to embrace DECENTRALIZATION.
And perhaps time for Elon's X to become a client of Nostr.
Tomara!
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You should really get out while it's easy to do it.
Keep building. Governments are advertising for us.
Watch this - it might be the moment of #nostr
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It seems so
Exciting times.
Someone needs to teach lay people about Nostr and big figures on Twitter need to direct Brazilians to Nostr and produce content here.
On Twitter, most people only talk about VPN and posts about Nostr there have very low visibility.
Some things don't change alone, people don't understand alone, we need to help them.
What is there to teach? Download a client -> click next next next -> search for people you want to follow and that's it! It's exactly the same as Twitter.
Techy people can search and learn the details. Normal people don't have to.
People aren't on #Nostr for only two possible reasons:
1) Inertia
2) Not enough network effect
What makes you think for a MOMENT that musk would disobey an arbitrary and unsubstantiated demand from government?
Hopefully
cálice
I think he will as he wants X to be a free speech social network
WHo knows. It brought me here, even if I'm not in Brazil.
There future for a lot of little nostr moments is bright. One ban at a time...
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Not sure if my compatriots, with average IQ of 83, lower than a chimpanzee, will be smart enough to adopt VPNs and create NOSTR profiles.
But I hope so…
Esse vídeo explica bem. Só mandar.
Estou testando para ver como funciona o nostr. Parece ser bem viável!
Sim, já funciona muito bem. E caso não goste de um app / site, você tem outras opções para acessar a mesma conta e rede social.
Recomendo até testar outras com o tempo...
Elon should personally call Brazilian totalitarians and tell them to GFY.
I think it kind of already is considering the last 24-48 hours movement
Yes.
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Just like everything is good for #bitcoin, everything is good for #nostr
I hope it will be Nostr's moment. I've been on Twitter trying to find people who live in Brazil and trying to get them to give Nostr a try.
nostr rise!
yes
Let's hope so!