Zaps are super cool, but come on guys let's do it properly.
Down with custodial wallets!
Discussion
Whats an equally easy to WOS setup non-custodial option?
Phoenix
How do I get a LN address with Phoenix?
You can't. You can pay to other LN address though.
Thanks for confirming.
Is there an easy non-custodial solution that let’s you generate a LN address (like WOS) and lets you easily zap (like Phoenix)?
Not that I'm aware of mate.
#[5] opportunity for mutiny wallet:
Grandma mode ez non-custodial wallet with LN address
The web server is the difficult bit. Not sure mutiny could fix that in a sovereign manner for the user.
I'm zapping here from OBW! Doing my part, but we still don't have non custodial equivalent to lightning address, right?
Yeah, mines non custodial running on a node at home.
I’ve got a non-custodial LN node at home but the problem imo is LNURL seems difficult. Is there a better way?
Yeah that's the hacky part. I run BTCPay on the node at home with LN address enabled, then expose the onion version of it via a cheap Lunanode VPS so people can reach via clearnet to pay qna@tips.bitcoiner.guide.
It's by no means easy or foolproof, but gets the job done in a sovereign and inexpensive manner.
Here's a guide
Unfor we don't. But decentralization of custodial services is not too bad either. When balances are sub 50ksat?
Non custodial would be better, so I'm hoping for some form of async lightning payments.
Afaik AMP enables something similar, BOLT12 was another option, there may be something with trampolines...
Zaps inherently have centralizing effects
One reason is receiver nodes are easy to DDoS: #[0]
What would you change about their design?
Top three:
- use a different protocol than LNURL, or at least make it backeward compatible w. LNURL
- do not keep state on the reciever (instead, push from sender when payment is done)
- make it less about sats and more about PoW (cannot be fakked, cannot be wash-zapped, can be bought w. sats for low power devices where PoW is unfeasable)
1 and 2 will soon be technically trivial, with LN SDKs making it easier for apps to natively integrate LN (access to preimage, LNURL primitives, etc -- without switching apps).
Appreciate the insight
Anyone tried #[2] solution for receiving lightning to email?
Nope, there's a few similar services knockong about though.