#Amethyst users, should Global filter explicit/sensitive content (NIP-36) by default?

Reasoning: Lots of people don't onboard friends/family members because of porn/NSFW on Global

Pros:

- Cleaner experience

Cons:

- "Algorithms"

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Prompt during setup.

Also an opportunity to setup lightning address, nip05, profile picture etc.

That would be great, I don't see a problem because as far as I know the control of the content is in the hands of the end user.

Yes please. Last night some disturbing images of corpses showed up on my feed... I was quick reporting but you cannot un see .. :(

Thanks for constantly building

Gracias 😄

Yes please. 😅

It could help people to make up their minds.

As someone who likes nsfw content myself, my answer is yes, filter by default. Just make sure the setting to unfiler it is easily accessible for people who do want to see it.

Coupd be an onboarding question...

Also I'd say filter it on global by default. Separate it from following since one would assume if you follow nsfw accounts you wanna see nsfw content.

I posted about it around a week or two ago. I just installed amethyst and see what comes by default, as any non tech savvy would do. I was taken aback a few times by things posting in global and I would feel hesitant to invite. It should be (by default) at least blurred. I do not come from btc environment just an artist landing here as alt to twitter. Dunno how to install the enable the filter you mention

This would be an excellent option to have. I think it's also fair to set it to safe-search by default as long as it can be turned off.

How is NSFW content flagged in NIP-36? Can those who post it flag their own notes at the time they post them, or does it rely on other users flagging the note after the fact?

Having NSFW content hidden by default, with a toggle to make it visible is definitely the ideal option for those browsing global feed, and I say that as someone who posts almost nothing but NSFW content.

As I understand NIP-36, the note’s author puts the content warning on it. I think that’s how it should be. If readers could flag a note, inevitably some would abuse that power. Authors who post sensitive notes without warnings can be muted at the discretion of individual readers.

https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/36.md

Interesting. People are flagging my notes for Nudity and Explicit content all the time. Not sure how, since I don't seem to have the option to do it myself.

Good point. At least in Damus, users have the ability to report a note to relays, but relays don’t have to do anything.

Ah, so it lets the relays know I am posting nudity and explicit content, and the relays that don't want to host those notes can purge them? Very interesting.

As long as there are some relays out there willing to host my notes, and those who want to see it are connected to them, they will still be visible.

I think there would be less reporting of NSFW content if users could just blur it or turn it off in their clients.

Ideally, people should report if the author is not appropriately labeling as sensitive content. But we need more support in clients before requiring that from authors.

I don't think anyone should have the right to report anyone's so-called sensitive content. Except by posting their concerns or objections in the comments.

Otherwise you're headed down the slippery slope of censorship. And towards having no legitimate reason for nostr to exist.

I would support giving individual accounts the power to give other individual accounts the power to label their post as containing sensitive content.

Apparently some adult content providers want to give the general public the power to censor their content. So be it. If that's what they want for themselves.

But only if we can take that power back if we feel we're being abused. Including completely turning off that privilege..💻💎🧡🤠🗽

Here's where I think things cross from reasonable into unreasonable:

Those who post content they know some people may not want to see ought to be able to self-censorship such that those who don't want to see their content won't see it, but those who do want to see it will.

Likewise, if someone is not self-censoring, then each individual user ought to be able to opt out of seeing their posts by blocking them.

However, under no circumstances should one user, who did not post the content, be able to affect whether or not other users see that content, unless those users specifically agreed to allow that user to curate what shows up in their feed.

I partly agree. If someone operates a public relay, I would like him to have a liberal attitude about the notes he permits. However, Nostr’s censorship-resistance isn’t dependent on every public relay operator doing that; it comes from users connecting to many relays. Also, while I would like relay operators to be very pro-speech, I don’t think that should extend to relaying spam.

I meant that as a reply to #[4]

Wishful thinking. There are no incentives on public relays to be liberal or to even care about what you expect.

Yes, I agree.

We agreed on the importance of decentralization for censorship resistance.

The same applies for so-called spam. I might call it something else. The point is that it must be at the sole discretion of the relay operator as to what is spam on their relay, and what to do about it. Including just doing nothing.

Users can mute or block it if they choose to do so. It's quick and easy. I do it all the time with my personal account. For example, post in a foreign language that I don't speak or understand are just spam for me.

Unless they've got some great pictures that I do understand lol..🙂

"But relays don't have to do anything" That's how it should be. I don't give a rat's ass what anyone post. I'm not legally responsible for it.

In my mind the only legitimate reason to run a relay is to help assure people that their content (free speech, first amendment rights) we'll get out and be protected. Whether objectionable to me or not.

If nostr isn't doing that too, it has no reason to exist. If Bitcoin were not Permissionless, Censorship Resistant, Trust Minimize, Neutral Money. It would have no reason to exist, and would have been destroyed.

Freedoms not free. It requires tolerance and compromise. It comes at a cost (Vigilance aka POW). And freedom's not for everyone. Like children until they grow up..💻💎🧡🤠🗽

Obrigado pela dica... meus dias estão mais felizes 🤪

A suggestion, when opening the app you get to choose whether or not you want to filter.

Well apparently my global feed is not as interesting as y'alls or maybe I'm just not paying much attention to it. I rarely look at it to be honest.

In any case, in my humble opinion maybe an optional filter on by default. Or... maybe the "prompt during setup" idea then optional filter off until turned on later is a better option.

This is a tricky one actually. (slippery slope, so to speak)

Reminds me of the first time I went abroad and saw a women's breasts on television in a public restaurant(Spain). I looked around and noticed the other people didn't care and so began to realize that I had been brainwashed to believe that the human body is evil🙄.

Reasonable defaults are reasonable... 😉

Make it an option in the settings for the degens, but off by default. I don't want to see pr0n first thing in the morning or ever, really