this is straight byzantine shit tho
and it's all ultimately arguing about the fencelines between one ruling class's cash crop and another, isn't it?
you slavs are quite funny with how elaborate and dramatic you make it all sound, it's quite entertaining, but really, it's just ruling class having a tiff, and everything else is just part of their way of making you think it's something much more important than a bunch of plutocrats disagreeing
I don't think this is some special trait of Slavs, it's more characteristic of old countries. Also, we must not forget that Kiev is essentially the cradle of Russian culture, naturally, this argument is easy to use
well, if by cradle you mean the history related to Catherine and Odessa then i guess so
but in general i think this over-thinking is not actually productive
I’m not Slav
neither am i but my father's family name suggests that 4 or 5 generations back i have russian or ukrainian ancestry (my family name literally is the russian word for a broom, and the dutch were extremely humorous with their choices of names when the king decreed they all had to have family names... i met a dude whose name literally means "deep pants" and "broom" as my family's name is equally ironic i think
you read like a typical yugoslav to me tho, reading back over your reply in this thread... of course it could just be that you have spent a lot of time living in those parts but my smell says yugoslavia
My last name is just a regular name. Seems like the most common thing ever. Literally, [name], son of [father's name], descendant of [ancestor's name].
yeah, the history of the legalization of last names in the netherlands is quite interesting... a lot of "dutch" people don't really know where their ancestors come from going back before this decree came into force
it reminds me of this funny french guy i met in auckland... he would always refer to me as "david from brizzy" because prior to going to NZ i was living in brisbane, australia
the legalization of these names is really quite recent, i'm sure that it wasn't that long ago, but maybe earlier, that it was legalized in eastern europe but like you say, the names literally refer to father and place of birth... the bulgarian customs are very clear about this, they have this thing where there is a second name but it's the father's "first" name altered to the gender of the person, so the daughter of a man Ivan Valkov with a daughter Mariyana would be called Mariyana Ivanov Valkov
sorry, i mangled that
Mariyana Ivanova Valkova
Yeah, but I’m almost Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov 🤣 The only difference is that my ancestor’s name was Zinoviy
that means you are either yugoslavian or probably russian (maybe baltic)
that "ich" thing (which is really not the same sound as the english ch at all, or the german, it's sorta like a hard "th" if anything) i understand it is a diminuitive suffix, idk what the logic behind it is
a more common thing in ukraine and southern slavic countries is the "-in" ending in names, eg "doronin" "constantin" (and -ina of course) which is another variant of diminutive that is kinda feminine based on the old latin use of this suffix
my guess is that it's like a fork in the family tree at a male or female? -ich being male, -in being male?
just curious, i never did actually get told or read up on the logic of it, but i know that -ovich and -ovin are also somewhat common family names
I never thought about where this -ich in the father's name comes from 🤔 It would be logical to just write something like Ivan Ivan. Probably it's something like 's in Old Slavonic, but I'm not entirely sure.
that's probably why i never had anyone explain it but i had two yugo friends, one was mikic and the other was marcetin and my half russian half ukrainian hobo buddy in amsterdam was a doronin
also, idk which exact language you are from but the yugoslavian form and from what i've heard of russian of the same phoneme is a slightly softened sound, you already have the ch in the form of this letter Ч
