Follow up question: At what point would you leave your home to a more “friendly” jurisdiction?
What would have to happen for you to pick up and leave
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I would like to think I would stay and take the fight at home. This is my home.
Besides, what I store in my brain can never be touched(yet).
No can do.
Too many guns and too much ammo...
It would have to be full on disregard for property rights, active and concerted efforts to find bitcoin users, and disregard for the rule of law (ie taking them to court is rigged)
Yes. I say stick around unless it gets too egregious. If you expect it to get too egregious for you, plan accordingly.
If you have people you care about living near you, do you really want to move far away from them right when everything goes to shit (which will be the moment when everybody wakes up)?
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I mean that’s the beautiful thing about bitcoin and it’s anti-fragility. They (govs) can just keep crying harder while the bitcoin economy grows. It’s first and foremost a dark market money.
If they realize they’re going to have to go full on evil empire to stop it, that’s when you bail. And like you said, best to have a plan for that before you need it
How could one ensure that the jurisdiction they are moving to would remain friendly? I have no idea whats’s going to happen a year from now, let alone 5 years.
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I guess if the place started infringing on my moral values
What would have to happen for me to pick up and leave:
-mortal danger or violence I can't defeat
-friends and family want to leave
I'm raising my boys in the same zip code that I grew up in.
I love it here. Bitcoin is global money.
I do wonder… Even if CBDCs are rolled out, and the state goes into full “empire strikes back” mode, how many policemen, military men, and National guardsmen would follow orders to seize people’s assets at gun point?
Most men in uniform are good people who want the best for their fellow countrymen. There is a limit to what orders they would be willing to follow. What is that limit?
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won’t happen unless the victims are sufficiently scapegoated
Men who fell asleep during their watch, were brought behind their lines and shot by fellow soldiers, at the command of their officers. There are no limits.
Check out: Milgram Experiment ☝️
Order followers did most the most horrible things in history.
I think you Americans have this idealized concept of "the good men in uniform". I am not American but I do spend lots of time there, it's my second home currently. And I have ZERO doubts that compliance would be probably not absolute, but in practical terms, overwhelming.
I hear you. Still, most Americans grow up loving life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It’s instilled in us at a young age. Sure, they may follow obscene orders if they feel it is indirectly fulfilling that end, in the case of a foreign war for example. But going against one’s fellow citizens is quite another matter. I know some good men in uniform who certainly would not follow such orders. The question is how many would resist, and at what point
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I hear you and I too want to believe that the good in us would prevail if we were presented with those options. I’m afraid history has shown us otherwise.
I agree with you Alan,
In my small town, my sons raised hell racing their cars around, and they’ve become friends with most of the police force over coffees at the local 24h gas station. I can say with certainty that the local police where I live would throw away their badges if that came to pass. I have even heard several of them say this out loud.
I don’t doubt a sizeable percentage would comply, but areas with high levels of gun ownership and concealed carry permit holders would rebuke such an advance.
How do you mean? They CURRENTLY enforce thousands of laws and regulations that infringe on the rights, property and even the physical integrity of US citizens. They will literally murder you for your taxes, for your guns, or for selling cigarettes without a license.
Sometimes even when there are doubts about the very constitutionality of those laws and regulations -- not that anything the SCOTUS says carries any weight anymore anyway...
But even if you adhere to the definition of "constitutional" as "SCOTUS says so". All it will take is SCOTUS (i.e., the Government) to say so.
I’m a huge proponent of “go where you’re treated best”
I live in Germany so that's already quite a friendly jurisdiction tax wise (no tax on bitcoin held longer than a year). But that can change anytime with the EU. I would move once they introduce a tax or once the price is at $200k+ probably to have a nice cushion.
Would probably move to Switzerland because I love mountains and skiing. High quality standards. Not the EU. Low taxes in general in comparison to the rest of Europe. Close to home.