When a new user (or company, #politician, #activist group) finds out they can’t permanently delete their own #nostr posts what’s the incentive to continue? Yes you can’t be censored but what about when it involves evidence that could be used in court? If anyone can setup a relay who’s stopping the #NSA from logging all posts similar to what they do with #tor exit relays? In a world where you can be jailed for a “tweet” people hesitate to contribute to a platform that doesn’t give them the confidence to know that if they delete something it’s not going to pop up on a relay somewhere else down the line should public narrative change. Which it does often. You end up in one of two camps. They both have drawbacks. A: you speak freely but can’t link it to your identity so nobody #IRL around you can recognize you and recommend you for similar projects, people, communities, etc. (see #satoshi ) or B: you link your profile to your identity and only say “safe” topics and mute your #freedom so you can operate in #commerce and you avoid what the #canadian tuckers went through with having their #bank accounts shut down. The good news is that if there’s a community of people who’s aware of this and trying to solve this problem it’s hard to find a better place than nostr. Once the deletion problem is solved the floodgates of adoption will open. I would love to be wrong about this. Please #changemymind
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Those are some really good points... maybe some combination, as in how people use their LinkedIn vs burner Twitter accounts.
I myself am already wanting to use different apps for different purposes - ie Nos feels friendlier and Primal feels more old school coder.
Wouldn't permanent deletion be essentially incompatible with the whole idea of Nostr?
How would permanent deletion be against the idea of #nostr ? Isn’t nostr about not being censored and decentralized? So you’re already using different clients for different purposes, how about you have different profiles on each client? One is about work and one is for memes (to make this fun) but you accidentally post a meme in the client that’s signed into your work profile. Not a big problem right? You can just delete it before your boss sees like #twitter. You weren’t being a dick online you just made a human mistake. How to do explain to your boss that “look, I made a mistake that was supposed to be on my personal account but I can’t delete it because it goes against the whole idea of why I’m using nostr.”
I think answer there is simple. Don't be a dick. If in an online world where we have to mimick meatspace and be authentic because you can't delete interactions or spoken words, your actions are going to have consequences.
Exactly, mimicking meatspace isnt limiting freedoms - it's maximizing consequence.
Ah yes if only “don’t be a dick online” wasn’t subjective it would be simple like you say.
I believe it’s very nuanced. I believe you’ve deleted things you posted online in your lifetime that didn’t have anything to do with you being a dick or not.
If you accept the functionality of “let’s just never have delete again 🤷♂️ guys and if we aren’t dicks online then we’re okay 👍 it’s simple!” Then it’s like saying you’re okay with your autocorrect, you’re okay with double posts because of weak cell signal, the use cases go on and on….
Appreciated your response 🙏
See? I was proofreading this and realized I spelled “you’re” wrong but what can an eager #nostrich do to clean it up for you and everyone else who comes across it? I’m still very open to anyone being able to #changemymind
"Then it’s like saying you’re okay with your autocorrect, you’re okay with double posts because of weak cell signal"
Yes. I am. You don't follow me so you don't see my typos and mistakes from speedposting. It's more human that way.
Besides this, yes, I don't delete. I am who I am, both my good takes and my bad ones.