somebody please explain to me what the market force is that enables producers to upcharge for fiat.

fiat, with a larger payment network and lower barrier to entry, is going to be MORE expensive to use? why?

"because Bitcoiners want Bitcoin" is not a compelling market reason.

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my wife runs a brick and mortar store and her credit card processing fee is around 4% and there is no instant settlement assurance. you can work out the rest yourself.

and yet she takes credit cards.

I'm sure you can work out why yourself.

Want to be investigated by the tax man ? Refuse payment via credit cards, they'll lock you up with very little evidence.

my business doesn't accept credit cards.

because she's not me :)

The reason is supply and demand. It's not demand by the merchants, it is supply on the customer side. Too many people just find them easy, ignoring the transaction costs.

In her case, has she looked into Stripe point of sale since it's still only 2.9% + .30 ? I would recommend it as one of the lowest and easiest. I still accept cards that way (for clients who haven't been onboarded to BTC)

that's what she uses.

Because banks are already doing it with card fees.

If Bitcoin fees end up being lower than existing card fees than its happening.

sure

they'll happily pay capital gains on $20 purchases 👍

great idea

Card fees + transaction fees on top of that

Many card processing services charge 2-4.9% per transaction + .30

everybody want to make it about credit cards vs LN apparently

Not just credit, debit too.

I forgot to add that upcharging or discounting for btc/LN) could also help to orange pill more people.

Yikes, that's a lot of "vapor wear"

1. Fiat currency loses value over time.

2. If you ask why not just receive fiat and exchange it for something else, it can be very cumbersome and annoying, leading one to think it’s better to just accept Bitcoin from the start.

3. Taxes.

Fiat enables (relatively) stable prices.