It STARTS with seeds in the ground, agreed. But keeping such an endeavour maintenaned properly and scaling it a little is an enormous time investment, and thus an opportunity cost. I'm a software developer and a cofounder of a company - it's not the most valuable use of my time.
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No one's asking you to do anything, I'm imploring the strongest men to go produce something for their households / neighborhoods....not the weakest.
You're just describing division of labor, which is what I'm doing too. I think we agree
The farmer in the neighborhood produces the food, the engineers produce the digital infrastructure and they trade. Perfect
I pay you periodically & you pay me consistently...bc I'm stronger than you are in terms of purchasing power.
You need food & it doesn't cut both ways.
But yes, the division of labor exists moreso in variety of foods & services that keep us alive & healthy - but it's diabolically dumb not to have chickens if you have half a brain & don't live in a pod 🫛
You're describing some kind of post-collapse agrarian world where the only things a person needs are vegetables and chickens. We're having two different conversations here (and we're having it on an enormously complex globally decentralized communications system that relies on mass industrialization and capital investment in things beyond seeds...)
No I'm not,
Youre taking it there,
People need food there's no substitute, and relying on others to do it for you in an industrialized & capital intensive way is a death blow to your family.
The smaller farmers providing clean organic food are more important than devs regardless of how much fiat you're making.
For one thing, who said anything about fiat?
And the situation youre describing does not scale. It works fine for small communities, but if you like your technological devices that I assume you're pretty cozy with, you're going to need more than that.
Backyard chickens doesn't scale?!
You're trapped in an illusion you bought from what's left of your fiat 🧠.
Man this is getting so weird. Do we even know what we're talking about anymore?
I had originally said that having a self-sustaining farm is more work than "just put seeds in the ground and let my god do the rest for you". Anyone who has grown food before at any scale will agree that there is time and work involved and the larger the scale (including just family), the more work.
That was one point.
Then you started telling me that only weak people don't decide to spend their valuable time and skills in this way. I tried to make the point that specialization and division of labor is a net good for society, as it allows for societal progress in a free market (take that to be at whatever level of scale you want, from "single family" to "entire region"). I think it was around this point that you started to tell me I'm delusional.
So what are we actually arguing here? That each individual should grown all their own calories (are children included here)? That each family should? That each neighborhood should? That each town should? City? Where do you draw the line and allow people to start to trade the economic goods they create (including food) and enable higher-order goods to be generated beyond mere subsistence?
Or are you trying to make a different point altogether? Maybe try without the insults so we can figure out where we disagree, if anywhere.
I guess we're done? You don't like the idea of trying to clarify our agreements and disagreements? That's fine, we can just tap out. Nice talking to you
that dude is wild, lol. so fun to keep around. do you man. not everyone needs to create a homestead. My only point was that anyone could and it doesn't take anywhere near the effort that people think. It's doable.
Yes, division of labor is a net good.
You never did mention what you're working on. any links you care to share?
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Our media calendar is starting next month: podcasts and long-form blog posts. The details of what we're working on will be much clearer as those emerge. For now I'll say: it's a peer to peer, encrypted, permissionless network of purely functional personal servers. A location/cloud-agnostic personal VM spread across as many machines as you'd like with automatic persistence of all events.
An early use case I'm excited about is trivial-to-set-up, zero maintenance personal Nostr relays that run forever and are available to you anywhere.
Something about what you're describing reminds me of Ghost in the Shell.
Basically a VM that exists everywhere and I'd assume uses a private key similar to nostr?
Definitely following the project, man.🤙
The wizardry of tech always amazes me. It really is like magic. If you can imagine it, you can build it.
It's the ultimate form of expression, IMHO. I do data conversions. Not as flashy as software development, but I always get a kick out of flipping data around like it's a rubix cube. It's nerd stuff... but it pays the bills.
Exactly! A VM that exists everywhere and you are identified by a keypair. Our far-future aspirations are very much scifi/ghost in the shell - that kind of thing is really inspiring. We'll have a blog post narratively describing our ideal future world before long :)
I know what you mean about the fun of flipping data around. Even the smallest tasks are satisfying. Like you're a techno-wizard operating a bunch of tiny perfect machines.