Not all data needs to be saved forever; designing for such guarantees is a relic of the surveillance-state-powered data conglomerates.
It’s ok for data no one is willing to pay to keep alive to let die.
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I dont want my notes to be permamant unless I flag them as so (bookmarks)
'The cycle of arising, abiding, dissolving is the cycle of all thought. This is called a "dissipative system". ' John Steele on Memory
It's good that data dies. Most data should die in the long arc of time.
And that's why all of "Web3" is different and worse than Bitcoin. There are very few things that we need a bounded, immutable, global consensus on. Money is one of those things. Few other things are.
Adding immutability and global consensus to non-monetary things (other than with some sidechains or other indirect connections) makes no sense.
We lost a lot of literature in long arc of time. If only we had all the data we could understand the psychology of people in the past and know why they did things they did.
I agree with nostr:npub1k0fwykqsj7q2la5ttncv9unzf9lawymme8ulu4rwcmfmlsfx48eseq7e9m's statement about the value of keeping books or some value of old communications.
But how do you discriminate the really valuable work from 50 shades of Kardashians breakfast or a teenager selfiesession? 😅
At the edges.
If someone seems it valuable they can ensure it’s survival easily and cheaply.
Aka the free market?
Would you have predicted tweets of Elon or Trump or AOC before their time in spotlight to be of any value? It’s hard to say what becomes culturally valuable.
also once we implement and use 0-100 scoring of keys/posts instead of likes, signal will go to infinity
you might be underestimating how much we can learn from the human shadow
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And that’s the beauty of how nostr addresses this: it pushes the subjective evaluation of what’s worth preserving to the edges.
If someone deems something valuable they can easily and cheaply opt to preserve it, but when no one does, the data expires and dies.
There's an actual benefit to purposefully amnesiatic data storage to minimize Op Sec exposure of all historical information. There is a holding cost incurred securing data over time, that's mostly necessary due to the inherent risks of fraud in KYC'd pull request payment systems. Push payments with final settlement place the responsibilities for protecting account balances on the Sender rather than the Receiver.
IF that "push payment" is sent as off chain LN sats then Senders have no ongoing risk of sensitive data enabling account sweeping to be exposed in transit or at rest over time. No payment data honeypot accrues when the Sender's personally identifiable information and account pull request data need not be transmitted, nor be secured physically and digitally.
What your counterparties don't know can't be stolen from them, create liability for them, or be used to prosecute you in a court of law. Same as with cash, instant, final, and private payment under $10k USD amounts do not require knowing your customer's legal NAME. (But, to keep them as recurring customers, getting their Nostr ID tag may be a good idea)
But, I know I'm preaching to the Choir here...
Not everyone understands why KYC has been necessary and the trade offs its failed use has forced on the world. Throughout almost all human history financial privacy was not just normal, it was all anyone ever knew. Experimenting with KYC/AML controls over the last 40 yrs has failed and is no longer needed or useful.
It’s almost like the norm of so many current centralized web services, the promise of infinite data retention, was based on someone monetizing that data.
We need data custody and the ability for it to expire once the puspose for providing it - e.g. transaction, etc. - is met. Then allow it to be sold to marketers for a fee.
That can’t exist. Once data is out there it’s out of your hands.
Even money needs to be forgottable to some degree. E.g. LN.
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That's a good start, and bidding wars for the rest of it will work ok so long as there are
a) altruistic ideological billionaires and/or billionaire incentives are aligned with pleb
b) thresholds i.e. I want to pay to delete all data for which someone other than the originator has bid less than $1 to keep alive
How about this:
For notes/threads I want to keep alive I set up a split for zaps to that note to go to he parent note and then those get sent to a paid relay to keep the whole thread alive.
If one of the notes in the thread never gets zapped it just dies.