“communities formed voluntarily by people”

how did u voluntarily consent to your parents creating you?

we don’t get to just start our philosophical analysis of what it means to be a human being when u are 18.

i undoubtedly agree with every critique you have against the state we have today.

but to say we can abolish “the state” categorically is non-rational. it’s absurd.

the first principles of the state are the same principles of parents.

to think a human beings can exist without “the state” is the exact same as thinking children can exist without parents.

just unpack the entailments and verify

whatever principles or rules u want to govern society, if their scope doesn’t account for the origin or the beginning, then it’s not addresssing reality, it’s just a speculative fantasy. it’s gnostic

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Regardless of my opinion on it, you make an interesting point w/ a decent analogy.

I'll reply in more detail tomorrow with my ☕.

the state = imposed non voluntary social relations

that’s its formal essence/definition the analogy conveys rhetorically.

The question of consent for being born is anti-natalist nonsense. Children cannot exercise their self ownership just like someone in a coma can’t. Nothing follows from that, especially any notion that this somehow justifies being ruled by the state.

Analogies for the state as a parent are absurd. And the anarchist claim is not that we can abolish the state, it’s that it is deeply immoral. Just like child abuse is immoral and likely will never be exterminated, as it should be.

if anarchism only cries out about injustices carried out by states, then it’s a political version of Moms Agaist Drunk Driving.

is anarcism the idea that states should act better? or something more?

I accidentally "liked" this note.

I don't actually like it :P

that’s ok, most don’t like objective reality

can keep your fiat metaphysics

there is hope for your. the truth of objective reality brought you to bitcoin, if ur ego will allow it and u follow its logic, we end at the same place

I'm a strict materialist and agree with you about the last point.

i wouldn’t ask you to trust me, but verify for yourself, if you honestly push on materialism a bit, it falls apart.

you will not find a coherent explaination for why why anything exists instead of nothing.

why anything is ordered. categories, distinction, all morality, good/bad, better/worse, syntax, semantics, numbers, all the immaterial phenomena we rely upon and use everyday, have no basis in a materialistic world

in short, rationality and freewill go away

i was a materialist before, so i get its appeal

"why" is an incoherent question. Substitute "how" for your questions above.

"Why" is a human invention, and it's unsurprising that we invented a shoddy concept with some undefined zones. "How/what" are downstream of the laws of nature, and are thus reasonable areas of inquiry.

If you want to ask "why", talk to an artist, fiction writer, priest or politician. But expect opinions, not solutions.

How is it anything exists at all? as opposed to nothing exists?

materialism has no valid answers

it just presupposes its own conclusions

1. Not every question has an answer we can comprehend (see quantum physics). Some answers might be comprehendable but the information we'd need to answer the question is inaccessible (like "what was the population of a given lat/long coordinate in the year 1345?")

2. Why do I need to answer that question in order to answer other questions? Assuming some priors and is always a necessary limitation. If you learn new stuff about those assumptions or find new information that indicates the priors are imperfect (as they likely are) you update a bit.

"The best you can do" is a fundamental aspect of world.

“assuming some priors”

yeah, and and not all assumptions are valid

“if i assumed all of reality was made of cheese” you wouldn’t take it serious.

it’s demonstrabley wrong. it doesn’t have an answer to account for everything not cheese

it’s the same as assuming all of reality is just matter.

I wouldn't take that assumption seriously because it immediate conflicts with all sorts of observations and experiment and doesn't explain any new unexplained phenomena.

Your argument here rests on the same processes that you are trying to say are useless.

How do you explain reliance upon immaterial phenomenon while simultaneously denying them?

Which ones am I relying on?

in the post, u use categorization, syntax, semantics, all outgrowths of order itself

the order that subatomic particles follow: no logicially valid argument for how that came to be materialistcally

materialism can only go as far as random chaos, if u are trying to explain any order beyond that, ur reliant upon the immaterial

to even say “the apple is on the table” relies upon the immaterial.

it’s an objective fact

and it doesn’t fit with materialism

Why do we need to answer "how it came to be?" rather than content ourselves with "how it works?"

What does the former question get you?