Interesting lens. I would however posit that if you want more terrorism on US soil, occupying a middle-eastern country is the way to do that. https://files.sovbit.host/media/dd1f9d502c7951df47e8f8ed245e8bfa24f7e82c28f19399a8f0e74b06113a21/c5727f21c6f30770f5661162f490d25e6a436dc0be34e3be6a236bc09a6a6118.webp
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except the Middle East doesn't really care about the Palestinians. And they'd probably rather have the US in there than Israel.
Literally Osama bin Laden said he cared about the treatment of the Palestinians as his motivation for the attacks.
Literally Osama Bin Ladin moved out of the Middle East while freeing no Palestinians.
And...? He orchestrated terrorist attacks. That was my point. I never said he ran a Palestinian charity.
Bin Laden in no way helped the Palestinians.
Besides, I was referring to how none of the Arab nations would give the Palestinians refuge. They have been content to let them die in Gaza and the West Bank.
Guy, I never said he did. Are you reading the words I wrote or are you just imagining what you think I ought to say?
No. I thought we were having a conversation. Guess not.
No, you have been pretty much just telling me non-sequitors about Osama Bin Laden and palestine. I am not sure why exactly.
Not non-sequiters. You used Bin Laden as an example of how the Arabs support the Palestinians. That didn't make sense to me since he all he did was say words. He didn't do anything to help them. On the whole, neither has the rest of the Arab world. The Egyptians didn't even let them across the border when their homes in Gaza were being crushed.
I didn't say he supported them. I said he used them as a justification for terrorism. Like I said, It seems that you are just interpreting what you think I ought to be saying, instead of the words I am typing.
I am trying to understand what you mean by them.
Okay. An analogy. If someone kills my neighbor, and I use his death as a justification to attack a cop. I didn't "help" my neighbor. I used his death to justify my own violence. Rightly or wrongly.
I get the analogy. Thing is, it's not what happened, and he never mentioned the Palestinians. He was the CIA's guy in Afghanistan during the Russian invasion. When that was done, the CIA abandoned him. Then he gets disowned by the Bin Laden family. The guy had a bone to pick with a lot of people.
He absolutely did mention the Palestinians among other US led incidents in the middle-east. I have read a lot about him and his motivations. Maybe you just missed that one.
I did miss that one. But I don't believe Bin Laden had much to do with 9-11. I think he released a video claiming credit to get support in the Arab world after the Bushes has abandoned him.
In that analogy I "care" about my neighbor's death, because I use it as a grievance. Which is the first point I made about Bin Laden.
I responded to your post inferring that it wouldn't cause more terrorism. I don't think there's evidence that Bin Laden did anything because of the Palestinians. He said on camera that it was because of our occupation in Lebanon. More likely it was because he believed the Bushes had corrupted the House of Saud.
Osama bin Laden expressed strong grievances against the United States regarding its support for Israel and its policies in the Palestinian territories. In his "Letter to the American People," published in November 2002, bin Laden criticized the U.S. for backing the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestinian territories, which he described as "one of the greatest crimes."
Also, I implied that US involvement WOULD create more terrorism. I don't know how I wasn't being clear.
That's a statement against the Jewish occupation, more than the Palestianians. But ok, fair, he mentioned them. But I think we're getting bogged down by one example that can be argued from different directions.
The CIA created ISIS and probably Al Queda. In my view, the terrorism is a construct to require our ongoing presence in the middle east. It isn't a result of our being there. It gives us a reason to be there.
Chicken and egg. The CIA creates terror, justifies retribution, terrorism in US, justifies middle-east occupation. One of those things is always happening. I was simply stating "Occupying the middle-east" is directly causal to the vicious cycle no matter what point of the cycle we are in. In any case I think we are in rough agreement that occupying foreign nations is not good. Terrorism is not good. And the CIA being terrorists abroad is not good.
Completely agree with you on that. My concern was less for terrorism and more for the great likelihood that the Paelstinians won't be allowed back. Trump modified his position today, calling the relocation temporary.
My hope is that he's blocking Israel from occupying the Gaza strip and continuing their destruction of it. If that is true, I will wait to see if that's what's happening. The Palestinians deserve to live in peace.
Have you been paying attention who runs the terrorists
There isn't a "The terrorists." Disparate groups of desperate people with grievances become terrorists. And if the US directly attacks gaza you get more desperate people with motive.
Yeah true. For one the US empire is the number 1 terrorist.
USA intentionally arms its own future enemies in order to justify never ending war.
fun fact, the same year USA left Afghanistan Mexico took over as the world's largest black market opiate producer, and the ATF and CIA have been giving weapons to Mexican cartels for decades now, those cartels.
also I haven't seen any "terror" attacks in response to USA's support of Israel, just widespread protests which the government are trying to call terrorism.
I have however noticed a lot of terrorist acts from Zionists happening in USA and other places in response to protests, some of it just seems like Israelis think they are allowed to do whatever they want it's been so normalised that when they travel outside israel they attack anyone they want now and expect a reward.
also Israel has been responsible for more terrorist attacks against USA than anyone else which should be taken into account, just 9/11 alone should have been a red line, the fact that USA did not destroy israel after 9/11 and instead attacked Israel's enemies, I think USA government is controlled by Israel and that's a far bigger concern than the individual terrorist attacks or any group