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Interesting perspective - stroke of genius if thatās what his plan is. Man, the left is going to lose their shit if Orange Man gets a peace prize.
This plan looks good, but i sont think it is. But i can hope
Trump do what he do .
No. This will never happen. Itās an absurd plan that nobody will accept. Only that Trump canāt see it because he canāt see beyond his ego, his power games, and all the money a āreconstruction of Gazaā would bring to him personally, being a real estate developer. Itās all about himself at the end, always will be.
American boots in Gaza for āreconstructionā but in a way that makes America get the best out of the āpeaceā deal.
the whole math screams āArt of the Dealā written by Trump himuself āļø
I highly doubt any of this will come to fruition
I guess weāll have to wait and see
Was waiting for you to come on here Yesterday
fkn amazing breakdown šŖ
Holy shit I spent at least 3 hours in long form discussions earlier today trying to explain almost verbatim what you just summed up in less than 10 minute.
It's rare when others can see what I see. š
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It would be amazing if true. If someone was going to pull off a reverse UNO on Israel it was be Trump and thatās how he would do it. HOWEVER. If I had to bet though, my money is on Trump doing what looks good for us, but in the end the power goes to Israel.
Bro tou earned a follower and a zap
They admit 600,000 Palestinians have been murdered
The status quo with Israel was never good for America. The fact that he's dismantling the CIA means that presumably there will be a divergence from the status quo. He has the whole region on the edge of their seats trying to guess why this sudden pivot. Trump likes to be popular and what Israel has been doing is highly unpopular. I believe Trump will do something in the opposite direction to traditional American foreign policy. Well have to see.
Amazing take. Appreciate your insights! Keep it up!
We could just stop funding them, remove all our stuff and let them do what ever they want over thereā¦ itās not America so we donāt need to be dealing with it ffsā¦
Interesting
Interesting lens. I would however posit that if you want more terrorism on US soil, occupying a middle-eastern country is the way to do that. https://files.sovbit.host/media/dd1f9d502c7951df47e8f8ed245e8bfa24f7e82c28f19399a8f0e74b06113a21/c5727f21c6f30770f5661162f490d25e6a436dc0be34e3be6a236bc09a6a6118.webp
except the Middle East doesn't really care about the Palestinians. And they'd probably rather have the US in there than Israel.
Literally Osama bin Laden said he cared about the treatment of the Palestinians as his motivation for the attacks.
Literally Osama Bin Ladin moved out of the Middle East while freeing no Palestinians.
And...? He orchestrated terrorist attacks. That was my point. I never said he ran a Palestinian charity.
Bin Laden in no way helped the Palestinians.
Besides, I was referring to how none of the Arab nations would give the Palestinians refuge. They have been content to let them die in Gaza and the West Bank.
Guy, I never said he did. Are you reading the words I wrote or are you just imagining what you think I ought to say?
No. I thought we were having a conversation. Guess not.
No, you have been pretty much just telling me non-sequitors about Osama Bin Laden and palestine. I am not sure why exactly.
Not non-sequiters. You used Bin Laden as an example of how the Arabs support the Palestinians. That didn't make sense to me since he all he did was say words. He didn't do anything to help them. On the whole, neither has the rest of the Arab world. The Egyptians didn't even let them across the border when their homes in Gaza were being crushed.
I didn't say he supported them. I said he used them as a justification for terrorism. Like I said, It seems that you are just interpreting what you think I ought to be saying, instead of the words I am typing.
I am trying to understand what you mean by them.
Okay. An analogy. If someone kills my neighbor, and I use his death as a justification to attack a cop. I didn't "help" my neighbor. I used his death to justify my own violence. Rightly or wrongly.
I get the analogy. Thing is, it's not what happened, and he never mentioned the Palestinians. He was the CIA's guy in Afghanistan during the Russian invasion. When that was done, the CIA abandoned him. Then he gets disowned by the Bin Laden family. The guy had a bone to pick with a lot of people.
He absolutely did mention the Palestinians among other US led incidents in the middle-east. I have read a lot about him and his motivations. Maybe you just missed that one.
I did miss that one. But I don't believe Bin Laden had much to do with 9-11. I think he released a video claiming credit to get support in the Arab world after the Bushes has abandoned him.
In that analogy I "care" about my neighbor's death, because I use it as a grievance. Which is the first point I made about Bin Laden.
I responded to your post inferring that it wouldn't cause more terrorism. I don't think there's evidence that Bin Laden did anything because of the Palestinians. He said on camera that it was because of our occupation in Lebanon. More likely it was because he believed the Bushes had corrupted the House of Saud.
Osama bin Laden expressed strong grievances against the United States regarding its support for Israel and its policies in the Palestinian territories. In his "Letter to the American People," published in November 2002, bin Laden criticized the U.S. for backing the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestinian territories, which he described as "one of the greatest crimes."
Also, I implied that US involvement WOULD create more terrorism. I don't know how I wasn't being clear.
That's a statement against the Jewish occupation, more than the Palestianians. But ok, fair, he mentioned them. But I think we're getting bogged down by one example that can be argued from different directions.
The CIA created ISIS and probably Al Queda. In my view, the terrorism is a construct to require our ongoing presence in the middle east. It isn't a result of our being there. It gives us a reason to be there.
Chicken and egg. The CIA creates terror, justifies retribution, terrorism in US, justifies middle-east occupation. One of those things is always happening. I was simply stating "Occupying the middle-east" is directly causal to the vicious cycle no matter what point of the cycle we are in. In any case I think we are in rough agreement that occupying foreign nations is not good. Terrorism is not good. And the CIA being terrorists abroad is not good.
Completely agree with you on that. My concern was less for terrorism and more for the great likelihood that the Paelstinians won't be allowed back. Trump modified his position today, calling the relocation temporary.
My hope is that he's blocking Israel from occupying the Gaza strip and continuing their destruction of it. If that is true, I will wait to see if that's what's happening. The Palestinians deserve to live in peace.
Have you been paying attention who runs the terrorists
There isn't a "The terrorists." Disparate groups of desperate people with grievances become terrorists. And if the US directly attacks gaza you get more desperate people with motive.
Yeah true. For one the US empire is the number 1 terrorist.
USA intentionally arms its own future enemies in order to justify never ending war.
fun fact, the same year USA left Afghanistan Mexico took over as the world's largest black market opiate producer, and the ATF and CIA have been giving weapons to Mexican cartels for decades now, those cartels.
also I haven't seen any "terror" attacks in response to USA's support of Israel, just widespread protests which the government are trying to call terrorism.
I have however noticed a lot of terrorist acts from Zionists happening in USA and other places in response to protests, some of it just seems like Israelis think they are allowed to do whatever they want it's been so normalised that when they travel outside israel they attack anyone they want now and expect a reward.
also Israel has been responsible for more terrorist attacks against USA than anyone else which should be taken into account, just 9/11 alone should have been a red line, the fact that USA did not destroy israel after 9/11 and instead attacked Israel's enemies, I think USA government is controlled by Israel and that's a far bigger concern than the individual terrorist attacks or any group
Seems plausibleā¦ oh and BB gifted Trump a golden beeper (pager). Which is an odd gift considering the exploding pagers they used in Lebanon. And recently some Zionist group was going around a college campus trying to hand out beepers.
Thanks for that. You helped unlock a new branch of possibilities in my mind.
I stopped listening at, ādo you move the jews outā. As if that is even remotely something well grounded person would even think anyone has a right to do.
besidesā¦ we want control of the massive natural gas deposits just off shore.
I think you should listen again to the context of that statement. He himself does not support this, nor the alternative of removing the Palestinians.
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thanks for publishing this on TheNostr, interesting stuff.
I haven't even listened to the specifics of Ian's video but his opening statement on how a good theory answers all known facts is very well said.
"When we try to give an explanation for what we see in the world...every little thing about it has to be explained by your thesis. If there's something that's not explained by it, then your thesis might be wrong, because the real explanation for what's really going on explains everything that's going on and if there's something off, you should look at that."
There are holes in just about everyone's 'personal theory of everything'. Most people don't pursue resolution to the cognitive dissonance they carry, and what's worse is that those same people project their modus operandi onto those of us who actually do seek to resolve our cognitive dissonance because that kind of projection is an effective ego defense mechanism for those lacking in self-honesty.
I agree with most of your opinions but not this one! Any solution that consists of removing the indigenous people from their land and āhelpā rebuild or better it!! Is obviously not the intention. Itās all greed and games played to paralyze the masses and create chaos. The solution is to listen to the people in question!! They know what they want. Leaving their homes is NOT WHAT THEY WANT.
I see your point about Netanyahu possibly not knowing Trump was going to announce what he did. I don't know if I would have caught it if you hadn't pointed it out, but his head does drop slightly when he hears it, and acting out his actions after that point you can feel the gears starting to turn in his head.
Could be something here. Could be an optimistic plan that's trying to sprout in a treacherous field, and there's a chance it does in some way.
If you watch a few minutes of that press conference it will be even clear that the matter was not previously discussed. That or N is a world class actor and body language master.
I'll have to find the full clip. Bebe is not socially tactful like that by my assessment.
Hiding emotion I could see. Faking hiding emotion to disguise something else. I don't think so.
Let's see how it pans out. I am not optimistic.
Same genocidal bastards
You have heard right. Based video!
This is similar to my musings while discussing it with my workout buddy this morning as it was on the news. My understanding from each of Trump and Netanyahu's meetings is that Bibi leaves the meeting unhappy, so when I saw the news I stated that Trump is extracting concessions from Bibi with this announcement (whether it was negotiations in real-time or not).
I'm not getting my hopes up, but agree that it could undercut Israeli aims at territorial seizure and provide the (non-militarized) Palestinians with a means to stay in their homeland. Could, but we're inserting our own hopes and vision onto another man's actions. We'll have to see what he ultimately does.
I appreciate your willingness to explore possibilities and I agree Bebe looked a little surprised during the announcement, but this theory is a huge stretch in my opinion.
The alternative is much simpler. Washington DC is a vassal of Israel. Trump is doing Israel's bidding. Will use US tax dollars to rebuild what Israel destroyed and then ten years down the line Israel will end up owning it one way or another.
Full win for Israel, zero for the Palestinians, just like the last 70 years or so.
I would prefer that's not the case, and I still have hope for truth to prevail, but right now this seems to be the most likely outcome.
Thanks for sharing specifically to nostr man. I'm glad you're herebš¤
Interesting takes here
You bring up some good points and the only solution I can think of is to completely stay out of it. I am sick and tired of having my money stolen to fund the bombing of Palestinians. All I want is for the USA to mind its own business.
Such an interesting take!! I really hope your optimistic scenario is what happens.
Who told you that about Nostr?
Are you Burt Reynolds the Second?
I wonder if Israel will show more restraint now than they did with the USS Liberty, or mate just run the same playbook again and blame Iran/Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis/whoever. Pager gift is definitely a message.
So I agree with this take as I've thought the same thing. However, I don't see why any Palestinian needs to move out. give them labor jobs rebuilding their own land. But further, thinking of President Trump and his other international diplomatic forays, If US money is going into the rebuilding effort, think Panama Canal. The US gives the Palestinians new cities in exchange for rights resources, ie: a canal or pipelines that the US also builds. This could end up being a win/win for Palestine and the US, and subvert Israel's "greater Isreal" project.
Then why are you here?
jews in DC, jews in NY
10,000 jews killed isn't a big deal
its nothing
Worth considering this fresh take. How do you think the Rothschild grip gets loosened (there were 7 banking brothers spread across continents)? Makes way for a Trump hotel, thoā¦
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Ps: I follow your content for years and am immensly grateful for your contributions, especially on the geopolitical topics šš»
you've been diagnosed with 'the stupid "the crowds in control" dilemma'
we(you included) aren't entitled to find a solution, the crowds just cheer in a direction or the other
that is, fuck the jews we cheer
"Two pagers. One golden, one regular."
That's literally "Plata o plomo" (gold or lead)
Definitely not your average good friend visit.
Itās certainly a āwayāā¦ but itās not the āwayā.
welcome ian, used to love seeing your videos on tiktok, you taught me a lot! I still am baffled that red bull is a family business
Ok Qtard
You are correct sirš«”
I love the intro point.
- If something is contradicting your thesis, then your thesis is not a correct one.
A fresh breath of clarity in the ever more confused world.
Oh look another white dude on drugs trying to explain how some other white dudes really bad ideas arenāt actually his ideas and heās just scamming everyone.
i hope we will be able to send zap on desktop version soon .
Desktop version of what? I send zaps on desktop...
Of primal .
Ahh. I don't zap at all with primal; not really interested in kyc sats. Glad they're there as an onboarding tool, and the experience is quite smooth. Wish they made it easier to just direct the zap button to an outside lightning wallet. But, lucky for me, I don't have to pick just one client. That said, Nostrudel does most anything I want on the desktop space. Once in a blue moon I'll open up Primal or Satellite.earth or Coracle though.
nostr people are the coolest , we just chilling .
anytime Trump opens his mouth he lies and that includes politicians the only real solution to fix the problem for there and also the world is to make a new currency and we already have a courtesy life that to stop these people it's called Monero
Trump's doing a phenomenal job of exposing the real liars
It's insane how much corruption is in just USAID alone. It's mindblowing, and the lame stream fake news isn't covering it, but that's OK. Nobody listens to them any more. Free speech social media is the news now.
you have no clue what's going on I would suggest you watch the Jones Plantation https://youtu.be/H0OTg3aZc-Y
so many targets for one back
Yes bring all the nuanced takes to Nostr only please.
the onl
This guy is full of shit
Holy shit you turned out to be a grifter. So sad. 
BB has already responded in full support of Trumps plan. So yeah, let the US take the head, handover to Israel when the dust settles so to speak.
Just a white American being a colonizer with white saviour complex, now officially shilling for the State Department
You sound like a faggot.
This is related to the massive natural gas fields that happen to be off the coast of Gaza and the only reason Trump is so generously offering to make that piece of land the Gazan Rivieraā¦ Bibi is of course in on it either way..
Dude, I am following your scam account. Lol.
Youāre take$ are very Nuanced , thanks for $haring on no$tr , Irak 2.0 le$$ gooo
I heard NOSTR was a good place for nuanced takes
Nuanced, but incorrect.
The plan was always a gas export port in Gaza.
1. Beirut port bombed.
2. Nordstream II bombed.
3. Gaza bombed.
Trump is just more direct about it, but would have happened with or without him.
Israel is in charge of America, not the other way around.
I'm glad you're investing more in #Nostr
Hey dude. Talk about the dictatorship we're living in Brazil. We're going through some tough times right now.
Land on earth is like bitcoin.
There's only so much to go around.
Humans will fight over land for the rest of time, just as they always have.
Also, why do we care about a war when our own people are homeless, hungry, and 64% can't even come up with $500 for an emergency expense?
Have you seen the average reading levels for American children too?
America needs to stay tf out of other peoples shit "spreading democracy" and stop playing world police to focus on helping their own people.
Its the best for freedom lovers šÆ
followed you here. what is the best app to use for this? the app I'm using to view this is too much like twitter
Iām dipping my toe in.