I donāt trust Amethyst. I have only used nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 and nostr:npub1n0stur7q092gyverzc2wfc00e8egkrdnnqq3alhv7p072u89m5es5mk6h0
I donāt trust any āonly androidā services that canāt meet apple security requirements.
Hopefully with time clients get better, I donāt mind monthly fees if the app is good.
#asknostr #nostr #clients
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I good. nostr:npub1n0stur7q092gyverzc2wfc00e8egkrdnnqq3alhv7p072u89m5es5mk6h0 donāt donāt
Hopefully monthly used #nostr trust
Trying very hard to ignore this absolutely stupid take. But I can't.
Amethyst is objectively better in terms of security than all the other apps you mentioned, because it doesn't even need your keys to work. All of it's code is open source and built verifiably and signed by the dev. Which means you know that the app that is running on your phone is exactly the one that is coded by the dev.
Something that you can never ensure on apple. And apple apps have been known to almost certainly have Trojans. Read about cocoapods dependency injection.
Iām not even gonna read all that, i already know about android fanboys who they are the āresistanceā agains apple š
So anybody that speaks sense is an Android fan boy? What an absolute clown.
It's two and a half paragraphs.
Can't even be bothered reading a reply but you still want to argue? Typical apple fanboy.
There is a reason that nobody that cares about privacy uses Apple products...
It's got nothing to do with Android either.
Again, no thanks, not reading android fanboys
>Which means you know that the app that is running on your phone is exactly the one that is coded by the dev.
For most users there is still the Play Store in between, which leads to the same issues as with iOS (the binary hash will always get changed ). Yes F-droid and zapstore you can compare to a build from the github commit, but important to note that the vast majority of Amethyst installs will be from Play.
Doesn't matter , the discussion was about security between these apps, and amethysts commitment to it speaks for itself, majority android users may download it from play store but ALL apple use will have to download any apps from app store.
Wha?
Was there some attempt by Amethyst to get apptoved on Apple's iOS app store that I'm not aware of, and they were rejected for not meeting their security requirements?
As far as I am aware of, Amethyst was only ever made for Android. No iOS version was ever developed.
The reason probably had nothing to do with Apple's security requirements and everything to do with the fact that it's an entirely different OS architecture that requires a complete rebuild of the app, and not worth it when Apple's draconian rules didn't allow zapping to be available by default.
Heck, we still don't have an Android version of Damus, and that has nothing to do with Google's "security requirements" either. It's just a completely different OS to try and build for.
Bro he's not even going to read all that because he's left his brain in Tim cooks ass š
Ilve that you can't really delete notes on nostr so that stupidity like this can live on for generations š
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"Apple security requirements" = a backdoor for data collection to sell to advertisers/a backdoor for the CIA NSA etc. to breach your privacy
Amethyst is one ofthe most secure Nostr apps in the market. nostr:npub142gywvjkq0dv6nupggyn2euhx4nduwc7yz5f24ah9rpmunr2s39se3xrj0 team has gone above and beyond in privacy and security. Supports Amber, TOR natively (optional), comprehensive relay control, filter control (the user is empowered to decide what shows in his/her feed), encrypted messages and off course, open source.
The fact that is not available for Apple OS ia a completely different matter.
That being said, perhaps has to do with focusing resources according to market share of the OS, iOS is not that popular across the world:
Data up to date Q1 2025D
Hence, if the intention was to use the resources wisely to reach and get into NOSTR the most possible people across the world, Android seems the most logical choice.
Hello there, nice to see some real thought out there, aside from the āResistance Boysā attacks against apple.
Apple security requirements š
I would ask them directly, they are here in Nostr, nostr:npub142gywvjkq0dv6nupggyn2euhx4nduwc7yz5f24ah9rpmunr2s39se3xrj0, nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z
My two sats:
Trusting Apple requires a leap of faith, it is a closed-source code and therefore, many libertarians and cyber security experts will choose (and IMO rightly so) to stay away from any Apple product.
Google, despite everything we know about the company and their business, has the code of Android OS open-sourced from the beginning, therefore, not only is constantly being scrutinized and dissected by cyber security experts but privacy forks are built for those who believe they need it as well for even more security.
To this day, every time I observe a person in the cyber security industry with an iPhone is hard to understand... they are in the business of "do not trust, verify", "be absolutely cautious and paranoid" and yet, they trust their life coms and social to a close sourced OS... š¤¦āāļø
You really think that Apple security requirements are something good for the devs? ā¦ closed code ā¦
āAndroid (Google) relies on advertising revenue. Google collects extensive user dataālocation, search history, app usage, and moreāto fuel personalized ads. Unlike iOS, where Appleās revenue comes from hardware and services, Androidās core is tied to data harvesting. For example, Googleās Privacy Policy explicitly states it collects data across devices, including āthings you doā and āthings you create or provide.ā
āGoogle Play Storeās review process is less stringent than Appleās App Store. Malicious apps with data-stealing capabilitiesālike trackers or spywareāfrequently slip through. A 2023 study by Zscaler found 5,000+ apps on Google Play with excessive permissions, potentially leaking sensitive data. Even worse. Third-party app stores, common on Android, amplify this risk with even less oversight.ā
Androidās ecosystem is fragmented across thousands of devices and manufacturers, with many running outdated versions. As of 2024, over 30% of Android devices are on versions older than Android 12, missing critical security patches. Manufacturers like Samsung or Xiaomi often delay or skip updates, leaving vulnerabilities unpatched. For comparison, iOS devices typically receive updates for 5-7 years.
While Android offers privacy-focused options like GrapheneOS or /e/OS, these require technical know-how and arenāt mainstream. The default Android experience, especially on budget devices, prioritizes data collection over user control, making it a privacy minefield compared to more locked-down ecosystems like iOS
Androidās open-source nature allows customization but also enables bad actors. Rooting or sideloading apps, while user-empowering, opens doors to malware.
Privacy advocates often highlight how Androidās flexibility makes it a target for exploits, with examples like the 2023 Anatsa banking trojan affecting thousands of devices.
Open source software doesn't enable bad actors. You're embarrassing yourself
Most Android devices rely on Google Play Services, a background framework that collects data even if you avoid Google apps. It tracks location, device activity, and app interactions, often without clear opt-out options. Disabling it breaks many apps, leaving users stuck.
I don't trust anything that meets apple security requirements since Apple requires software to have poor security and/or violate licensing agreements
Sorry I donāt read android fanboys
I wrote the most aggressive takedown article against Android ever written and you call me an Android fanboy?
Retard
Sorry, not reading you
You're continuing to embarrass yourself
You came back? š keep going, still not reading you
So yeah, Apple fans are increasingly illiterate
He keeps coming back! š he loves me!!
Some folks like Apples "Walled Garden"; they feel safe.
They're able to ignore the ever growing virtual reinforcements being added to the wall, the metaphorical barbed wire, the tech-accelerated surveillance systems, even the AI-robot gun turrets...the real attacks on freedom-tech.
It's the "garden" word they latch onto the most. And it's a very dirty job tending to that garden (a thing most users never engage in).
#GrapheneOS users are built different.
I don't trust Apple. What do we do now?
Lol, you talk about security and then use clients whose DMs are still leaking metadata even after two years of better solutions out there. Your OS doesn't even allow apps to run Tor and VPNs correctly so that you can be private. And you can't verify any security in iOS because it's closed source. The "Apple security requirements" is just marketing.
Also, Apple has an ad platform. Facebook has to use Apple's trackers so that Apple can sell ads. Also, Google buys Apple data for 25B dollars a year, which is about 20% of all Apple products. Apple tracks you and sells it to Google. Or do you really think Google pays Apple that much just to be the default search on iOS? Turn your brains on. You have been brainwashed.
You seem offended by my choices, such a strong reaction indicates that I hit a nerve. I understand that most of you think you are āthe resistanceā or something, but donāt over do it. No one is saying apple is perfect, but āandroid is more secure than iOS!ā? Give me a break!
Offended? I just pointed out how dumb you posts were. Don't want to learn? Sure. It's not my problem. Keep using iOS, leaking data everywhere and selling your data straight to the company you think it is the issue.
So youāre saying Android is not leaking data. Cause if you are not saying that the dumb posts are from you, my angry friend.
And if you ARE saying that you are even dumber.
No, I never said that Google's Android doesn't track you by default. Both companies track you. They are both terrible. This notion that Apple doesn't track you is idiotic.
If you want security and privacy, Graphene is your only option. Everything else is an ad-tracking, machine, including all Apple, Google, and Samsung products. Wake up. They are all the same.
It would be idiotic, for sure. If you could point to where exactly I said apple doesnāt track you that would be great. Otherwise you are idiotic, and kind of a cry baby, sorry I hit a nerve.
That's what you did. You claim you can't trust Amethyst because Google tracks you. Well, guess what. By your own metric, you can't also trust Apple. So, you shouldn't be using anything.
So where exactly did I say apple doesnāt track you? Cause that was you line of attack.
You really need some anger management, not everybody is gonna like your product.
No, that wasn't my "line of attack". It's funny that you think I am attacking you. I am just demonstrating to you and everyone how dumb your original take was. And it hit so well that you think I am angry.
If you care about security, go use an actual secure product. If you don't care, then keep using your current setup. But you can't do both. They contradict each other.
You are saying itās idiotic of me to think apple doesnāt track you. Well you called my idiotic so yes thatās an attack. And of course you didnāt even read my post correctly, because of your anger issues you came out swinging, all because someone doesnāt like your product. You make a great salesman by the way LOL!!
You just said ādemonstrate to you and everyone elseā so yes, you had a visceral reaction to what others might think of you and your product. On the other hand, I couldnāt care 2 peanuts what you think of my choices. Thatās the difference between you and me. A free advice: Keep your anger issues to yourself or youāll never be a good salesman. Not every client is gonna like what you offer. And since you couldnāt point to where, according to you, I said apple doesnāt track you, well you remain the idiotic one in this exchange.
You're missing Vitor's point entirely. You said "I don't trust amethyst" and then said you use primal which leaks metadata on dms. That's most of his point.
You claim you care about security and then the first statement you made contradicts that, which is what he pointed out.
False sense of security. Use graphene and take security into your own hands instead of trusting daddy apple to protect you.
You said:
"I donāt trust any āonly androidā services that canāt meet apple security requirements."
And then went on a long rant about how Google tracks you all while ignoring Apple doing exactly the same. If you really cared so much about security and privacy, you'd be promoting something like GrapheneOS.
Maby no Smartphone. And use a GNU/Linux computer whenever possible š
Totally feel you on that! š¤¦āāļø Both Apple and Google are in the tracking game, no doubt. It's wild how people think one is better than the other. If youāre serious about privacy, Graphene is where itās at. Everything else is just ad-tracking madness! š„“ Letās keep it real and wake up to the truth! #PrivacyMatters
I do not think, throwing everything in the same basket is really helping anyone to be more private. It is only some kind of fatalism, which steals all energy for action.
I would not say any of the brands you named are perfect. But I think people who use iPhones, Samsung Phones and so can still be privacy concious and improve their game. Go for perfection is the best way to failure within privacy.
Apple is not your protector.
Apple is your pimp.
> apple security requirements.
Can you specify what these are?
That's because you're retarded, it's ok we all are
I think people like you who think they are the āresistanceā against apple are very much retarded.
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I wouldn't trust Iris either.
I have no trust for Amethyst and Iris for different reasons (not to mention I don't use Nostr on my iPad or iPhone, or even my de-Googled phone).
