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Apparently, and unfortunately, it looks like many of your nostr followers have gone bitcoin woke, mustering mostly emotional reactions and reciting spoon-fed narratives. Im seeing this everywhere, unfortunately.
I'd love to see a thoughtful discussion between you and Samson about the topic. Might help bridge the divide.
Or maybe Samson and Greg since they have had a working relationship dating back ages (a decade iirc).
This whole thing reminds me a bit of the block size wars. Many getting caught up in emotional and irrational vilification and even hysteria instead of thoughtful and respectful discussion over differences of opinion on complex technical matters including game theory, which is likely too complex for most (including me) to wrap their heads around.
There also seems to be a fair amount of confusion over default settings vs. removed options. I'd think at the least such a discussion could clear some of that up.
My 2c fwiw.
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I'd love a good and honest debate without all the empty rhetoric.
For now I'm in the camp that none of these changes were necessary and everyone is pushing their own personal agendas.
Bitcoin fixes this?
I just found a great video you might be interested in. This guy does an excellent job of digging into the technical details and then the larger issue, the toxicity of the debate. I highly recommend it. Also, watch it and then read the comments and notice that despite his clear attempt to be as impartial as seems possible, he gets flamed by tribal dimwits that just want to cheer for their own team, villify their opposition while dismissing logic and reason.
The tribalism is the biggest problem.
And both sides are guilty.
It makes it more difficult to separate the facts from the BS. It reduces the trust factor significantly.
Lots of bots.
Also plenty of scared brainwashed plebs.
the csam argument is obviously rediculous
but I've yet to talk to any node runner who likes the idea of 100kb op_returns filling up blocks. even folks who hate Luke.
That's odd, the rational node runner should desire massive OP_RETURNs because it would cut the effective maximum block size by 75% and make running a node less resource intensive.
and confirm 1 tx per block
Let's be honest, practically nobody transacts on chain.
If they did, fees for block space wouldn't be at historic lows.
and that's what this is all about: artificially filling blocks to enrich miners.
don't overthink it: miners sell block space
yeah and that space needs to stay as cheap as possible as long as possible. it needs to grow in value naturally. plebs needs the option of controlling their own utxo's and taking self custody for at least the next 120 years. filling blocks with unnessessary data will make that impossible.
spam will never be worth much. i doubt it changes the average fee over time. in the long run its wishful thinking that everyone gets a utxo. that's why my scaling proposal is zero-utxo
what you want is people building value on an L2, and then making a utxo for "savings". this way they can wait for low fees to get out, and later back in, but in the meantime it's all L2
There always was spam and likely always will be. The question is how to deal with it in the most effectively while limiting negative impacts. Both sides have valid concerns. It's not black and white, good vs. evil. We need a rational plan and respectful discussions.
was that motte and bailey or shifting the goal posts?
I keep my savings on chain.
I'm pretty sure anyone that takes this seriously and isn't retarded does the same thing. Lightning is only good for small transactions.
If I want to sell a car or buy a house for btc it's going to be on chain.
Nothing in your response contradicts Jameson's statement. Both can be true.
e por que não usam doge pra essa sujeira ? E congelem o código do #btcoin ? !!!
It's hard to manage changes, updates, security patches etc. on a 24/7 decentralized monetary network. Litecoin was used during the block size wars to help test LN and it's required changes. Your point is not wrong, but it's no trivial task.
My advice is to try to stay calm and not assume long time contributors to bitcoin are bad actors. Don't trust, verify - yes, but that doesn't mean to assume any change is a conspiracy.
We can run any node software we want and shouldn't be assumed to be bad actors. Choice is good and multiple implementations is positive. I think we just need to stop short of confidently assigning negative motivations to people who have been doing amazing work for years.
Open and respectful discussion between people who understand all these dynamics is what's needed. Not emotional libelous flame wars.
Ruim mesmo será quando tentarmos fazer uma transação on-chain, e pagarmos mais de 30% de taxa devido a tanta sujeira futura executando nos blocos, isso deve ser desestimulado, recorde-se do exemplo ultimo halvin, onde aqueles que queria usar o #bitcoin como dinheiro naquele período não conseguiram devido a taxas elevadas, mesmo que por algum momento perdeu a sua essência, quando mais permitimos mudanças fora da essência do #bitcoin pior ele ficará, ou voltaremos logo ao bitcoin cash ?
How does filling up my disk space with child porn benefit me?
A 26 TB disk costs $550 USD. Disk space is the least of the concerns. Do more research into the topic. It has more to do with game theory, incentives amd the ability to control the data on your node.
Imo both sides have valid perspectives but somehow this has devolved into flame wars rather than what should be a respectful dialog. Novices jumping down the throats of long time devs with low resolution takes and accusations is most definitely not helping.
Ah yes so now I need to replace my 2TB hard drive with a 26TB hard drive.
And I'll have to upgrade my internet plan.
Oh and I'll have to risk being sent to prison for running a node.
Or, alternatively I can just not update to core 30 and save myself the stress, while I buy the dip knowing that the blockchain without childporn will retain the title of Bitcoin JUST LIKE LAST TIME
Try again without straw-manning. The price quote for a 26TB drive was clearly intended as a cost metric not a requirement.
Your node will not be immune from illicit content no matter which software you run. In fact the mindless tribalism is likely to lead to both sides getting a dose of it to prove a point.
enough with this lame ass argument, its fucking retarded.
This argument is literally just what happened last time.
After the fork blockchain without the childporn is the one that retains the title of Bitcoin.
We've already watched this happen before.
The only argument here that's retarded is that you think allowing child porn on a blockchain isnt going to create issues for node runners.
there's links to cp on the bitcoin blockchain. they've been there since 2016. no one cares.
Links to websites that have since been shut down vs storing child porn on the blockchain permeantly.
And yes people care, just because you think child abuse material is acceptable doesn't mean anyone else thinks that.
You have no right to speak for anyone else but yourself.
this is mempool policy not consensus rules, knots and core30 blocks will be the same.
troll alert! massive OP_RETURNs saving nodes? 🤣
Nah, they just bloat blocks and hike fees 🤷🏻♂️
I don't mind them. I just updated to v30
Vic is a shill confirmed. we're going back to Nests.
KNOTS PPL DONT NEED BOTS, QUIT PROJECTING. ALSO, THIS IS THE SAME REALITY IN WHICH YOU THINK THAT THE RAT'S NEST ON YOUR FACE LOOKS GOOD RIGHT
You just instantly devolved a technical discussion into comments on personal appearance. Probably time to take a break and ensure your opinion is more than an emotional response and is actually based in reality.
If you bring insults instead of arguments you are not helping.
Everyone who disagrees with you is a bot?
That's your defence against criticism?
Seriously?
Yes. Cultists always blame it on bots and brainwashed plebs.
Where is my spoon-fed narrative?