An open letter to all #nostriches on the future of the nostr protocol and freedom tech with the intent to start a discussion that will benefit all.

I will start off with what may be considered either a very bold or a very boring statement: The biggest fight for freedom in the near future is going to be how to fund freedom tech. This open letter is not going to point out the obvious flaws in our current electronics hardware production model. I am wanting to focus on the adoption, growth, and sustainment of mostly the software layer of permission-less systems that grant individuals sovereign control of their own data, securing both their stored value and their privacy (if they so choose).

A majority of users of the internet are living in a very heavily subsidized market and those subsidies have so distorted the market that literal billions of people have no real idea how much it should cost to nearly instantly send and receive data from any point in the world to another. One exception to this, and it us only a partial exception, are those with a pay-as-you-go plan for data. They are more aware of costs, but, with hardwired data (which wifi is connected to) or even direct satellite connections without data caps becoming more and more ubiquitous, the tendency is for data costs to continue to drop, but, they will never not be zero. Much of these costs are covered by governments, through either taxation, bonds, or money printing and also by big tech companies that are funding the massive power and hardware infrastructure necessary to run the internet in the original command and control model that was specified. These costs are obfuscated by several layers of abstraction which are vital for people to understand before they can fully embrace freedom tech. The abstractions from the costs of running the internet have created a huge market distortion. Subsidization and centralization are the key elements causing most to never think much about the costs, much like a black hole distorts space so severely that no light can escape once it passes the event horizon. This ignorance of the costs is likely intentional, and it is very hard for most people to break free from that way of thinking. This distortion, that of thinking that goods and services should be "free" is at the root of many other insidious societal issues we all face. It must be challenged and subsumed by the truth. (And we can and should debate what that is, in this case!)

If we, as the intrepid users of what could very well be the freest of all freedom tech, do not actively and intentionally engage in building a real market for these services, the distortion of the centralized, concentrated players will doom most efforts to build systems that respect freedom and privacy before they can come to fruition. This is the biggest issue I see with the whole of the nostr protocol if it is to be a growing, thriving place for all notes and other stuff to be transmitted by relays.

To the devs:

Whining about costs to people who have no idea what the costs actually are makes you look like a raving lunatic talking about how your frog-slime capture system is really better than the fish-slime capture system. Another mistake is beating them about the head for "not knowing" about basic economic principles and just how distorted the internet we are all using is. Most people don't have a clue and many of them will also not care that the internet sucks and they are being sold. Build better products and services that are desirable, and take the time to explain up front that this cannot and should not be "free" of cost. Yes, it takes a lot of effort, but explaining the practical applications of value for value will only make those that adopt to the new systems, products, and services more savvy and better customers in the long run.

To all the users of the nostr protocol:

It would behoove you to learn that you are living in a market bubble that will eventually burst, and if you wish to have not a crappy fall-back but a front row seat to the future of open, permission-less freedom tech, you had better learn to budget for services rendered at a fair market rate. Learn to provide value for others and receive value on return, and if you do that, the cost of using the nostr protocol will most likely be covered by that alone.

I'd very much like to hear your take on these thoughts, as I am always concerned with founding principles and strong foundations. I don't see that often enough in the context of onboarding new #nostriches. Not educating them in these things is a mistake, as the sticker shock of what these kinds of services should actually cost when one is not being exploited by an evil corporation that is actively attempting to addict you to their products to turn your time and attention into something they can sell will absolutely turn people away, thus sowing the seeds of failure that will eventually choke the life out of this wild and wonderful place.

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Your point about how users have no idea how much sending and receiving data instantaneously actually costs is well taken.

A similar issue abounds in the food markets. Everyone wants locally-grown, organic, non-GMO, no-pesticides, etc. food, but many balk at the cost. The milk from the local dairy farm is going to cost far more than the milk in the supermarket, because that supermarket milk is subsidized. Buying milk at the farmer's market is the first encounter many people have with how much that milk actually costs to produce and bring to market.

It's a difficult, but necessary, mental adjustment we'll have to make if we want to transition to a more human future.

I expect costs will go down over time for freedom tech—and for high-quality food—as economies of scale kick in, but that can only happen if we accept that there will be an adjustment.

Likewise, I appreciate your admonition to developers to explain up front that their software isn't free of cost. No one likes paying for something that they've already had for free.

Perhaps the answer is for developers to be very transparent about their finances when it comes to development. How many man-hours are going into the product? How much are server hosting fees? DNS fees?

Lay all the cards on the table, and explain how pricing will be set to make those costs worthwhile. I think many people will accept that gladly.

That would also allow for more competition based upon price.

Why do people in lower-cost countries need to use the stripped-down "free" version of a California or New England app, when they could get a premium Turkish, Thailand, or Nigerian clone for a pittance?

So long as the American and European apps are subsidized, developers in other countries have an uphill battle.

And, no, the answer is not "give them subsidies, too". The answer is more free market.

That is always the correct, long term answer.

Yes. That's what I'd like to see more of in practice. More relationship building, more transparency, and more trust.

I was probably one of the oddball that realized very quickly when using nostr for the first time that it was actually expensive. I asked and was told to not worry about it. So I didn't. But now I see more grumbling and, well, it's just whining, from certain directions. It's barely been 6 months since I started using nostr. In those six months, so much has happened, but not a whole lot has been done in an open discussion on how we the early and few, want to influence and build the nostr of the future in a sustainable, respectful manner. I can't code, but I sure can see some of the roadblocks ahead and wanted to bring my concerns out to have them kicked around by #nostriches at large.

The food analogy is such a good parallel to draw! Most excellent!

Yes, it's a dramatic cultural change. Let's not migrate the old business models to our New Internet.

That's also a very good point:

We don't need your fiat mindset around here.

Large corporations are pretending to give us something for nothing, but are making millions or billions of dollars in profits.

That money didn't grow on a tree. That was our money.

https://youtu.be/l96tB6WMymo?si=V1sxQCJlCongO9bo

“They say to be a citizen is free, to me this joke is funny. If it”s really free how are they making all this money?”

Big oof! Thanks for sharing that!

I am not sure it was ever 'our money', they harvest and sell data on their users to get that money. The old adage, "if you aren't paying for the product then you are the product" applies to legacy social media.

Sure, except that if I'm being sold, I at least want a cut off the deal...

Or to just not be sold in the first place. Heh

Of course. That's why I don't have social media.

I'm not saying it's right. It's actually underhanded and verges on evil due to the effects on human nature and communities and intentions of devs to addict everyone on earth. I'm not agreeing with the model in any way.

Yeah, I meant, that it's money that we essentially worked for and they owe to us, but pocket themselves.

As if we were serfs.

On Nostr, if you work, you get paid directly and often immediately. Or not at all. There is no murky confusion and you can decide if that work is worth your time and energy.

Well I guess they pay you by letting you use their service. Is it a fair deal? Probably not because why else would they keep you in the dark about it.

If it were a fair deal, they'd have narrower margins.

It is hard to tell what they are taking from us, but they are. It is more than our time and our attention. It is also our independence, autonomy, and ultimately, our freedom.

That's not being paid, that's being exploited.

Yup. Exactly. There's no fiat middle men. The only cut taken is if you're using a client that gathers a share of what you're being zapped, and you usually have some control over that, too. That's much more preferable than never being paid for you time, attention, and effort.

We can pay for a product or we can be the product that is bought and sold. I'd rather pay for the product I want and keep my privacy and autonomy.

Interesting Beave! It’s not often thought about, the idea of how big tech is funded (although we know it’s from our own pockets).

This protocol is relatively new, and for many it’s taking the time to figure out who the devs even are. A slow and painful process sometimes, for both parties. Hats off to both those who do it, and those who support it.

Thank you. 😁

Yup! And I do what I can to fight that model. It's bad for individuals, it's bad for the world.

In terms of tech economics, I have been thinking this for years. Tech has been subsidized for so long, it makes user education difficult.

In a world where people are used to the friction, permanence, and laws of fiat payment transfer, makes this even more difficult. I'm new to transacting in bitcoin/ln (although been in and out since 2013) so I often forget there is a far better. private, secure, and more instant way to exchange money for services/goods.

As with all bubble pops, some people will get hurt, likely plenty of us as well, and I have empathy for that situation, but I have been wanting the tech VC bubble to pop at some point. I'm not a watch the world burn person.

I would like to comment more, but I want to examine my thoughts a bit better, I keep going down logical rabbit holes. Maybe Ill have to chat with you on SimpleX one of these days or something.

I can't help but agree with you and prepare for the bubbles to pop and while I don't really want to face that, better in my time than for the next generations.

I'm always available to chat. 😁

You are absolutely right. Probably going to be hard to raise kids in, but I have confidence Ill figure it out, so they won't have to.

That's the right attitude to have, for sure.

Did not know the internet is paid by taxes and subsidies.

I see the similar structure(?) at the charter school system. Charter schools are not DOE public schools: the board members are often investment bakers. Many of the charter schools receive tax money as subsidies.

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I was on the voluntary board of an international charity when I was younger. One of the biggest lessons I learnt was that when one really cares about their beneficiaries, one aims to make their place as the giver of funds obsolete and actually empowers and equips their beneficiaries to fend for themselves. You know the old adage, "Give a man fish and you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you'll feed him for a lifetime."?... I think that's what nostr:npub1m4ny6hjqzepn4rxknuq94c2gpqzr29ufkkw7ttcxyak7v43n6vvsajc2jl is saying here in her own way and I think nostr:npub1q6ya7kz84rfnw6yjmg5kyttuplwpauv43a9ug3cajztx4g0v48eqhtt3sh has tried to provoke good conversation about what this looks like in the nostr space. I'm keen to see where the conversation leads us. What do you think? #asknostr

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