In certain macro circles, so many people (especially >50 y/o) are big into the idea of a gold-backed BRICS currency and how it'll subvert the dollar and moon the price of gold.

And while there's some truth to it directionally over a certain time frame (e.g. Zoltan Pozsar's "Bretton Woods 3.0" theme, and BRICS nations really are trying to de-dollarize or at least diversify their payments and savings exposure to varying degrees), it's clearly a weak solution in the long run.

Bretton Woods failed within like 12 years of being fully implemented. Why? Because the proliferation of IOUs was not constrained, but the underlying metal was.

And that was with America being a hyperpower. A bunch of separate BRICS nations, some of which don't even like each other much (e.g. China and India), putting together some coalition is shaky form the start. Who will trust the audits of how much gold or commodities they have in their reserves?

In the intermediate term, it does make sense for BRICS countries to route payments through other systems, such as the New Development Bank (formerly known as the BRICS Development Bank) or through various bilateral swaps. But the longevity of such a model is dubious.

Bitcoin is too small at the present time to serve as solution for this scale of global trade, but in the long arc of time it seems a far more obvious solution for global payments and reserves.

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Too small? What needs to get bigger about bitcoin?

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You were accurate and precise in your comment! I was discussing this with some friends today, and I found that many people still fail to grasp that, in the long run, #bitcoin can be the solution.

Moreover, considering the countries in the BRICS alliance and knowing that I live in one of them, I wouldn't trust any form of audit, especially from a bank where the current president was a key figure (almost a founder) of the most corrupt political party in the country.

To achieve the status of being the most corrupt in a nation where corruption is a part of everyday life is truly astonishing.

Never heard of China hates India. I thought countries coalit because of alignment of interests not because they like each other.

Lol. You misinformed. There have already been numerous incidents on the border of the Himalayas. They have big problems when it comes to boundary boundaries. There was even an exchange of gunfire. So, the alignment between the two countries is very complicated, especially if the BRICS want to have some relevance.

I am aware of that conflict. Doesn’t mean they hate each others. There is no evidence on the media or social platforms to prove this “hate”. Russia took more lands from China than any country did, but yet there is no hate from China to Russia. Regardless, it is naive to think coalition is hating/liking based.

Do you have get scared by how smart you are?

Its one of those things that sounds great in theory but doesnt really make sense. I think i saw that gold cant even support at the current price

With the irony being if gold shoots up in price, the us debt situation gets much better

Countries off the gold standard and countries tied to the gold standard compete over who will be more competitive. Tying to the gold standard was the best way to protect people's wealth, but the government hoped that by leaving the gold standard, it would better dilute people's wealth to achieve the politicians' goals. I don't think the governments of the world will want to go back to the gold standard, and Bitcoin is the hope of ordinary people.

That's sort of the issue. These countries won't really be on a gold standard. It will be a fiat standard masquerading as a gold standard, but the countries will have the ability to cheat. None of them are going to agree to a real gold standard, i.e. transactions being settled in actual physical gold.

One positive from the BRICS collaboration is that there are other systems/routes to transfer wealth.

Maybe other countries that can't/won't join BRICS will firm their own. This is good news on a macro scale. It gives greater confidence for "community" banks to start up & use the BRICS clearing system. Other systems should start up meaning a central crypto will fail.

Cash will remain king (in whatever form) until Bitcoin is sustainable on a large scale.

What is the timeline for working solution here?

You’re wrong about that.

50 yo, in fact most Gen X are the computer age and more in tune with Bitcoin than what you believe.

Bitcoin was created by Gen X, promoted by Gen X and adopted by Gen X with major real world financial backing (Saylor as one example). Check your fire 😉

I don't think she is saying nobody over 50 gets Bitcoin. You have to admit the largest demo, by far, is under 50.

Sure man. I mainly disagree with the point >50 are into gold.

Boomers were all about gold 57-75 (Saylor is actually just in as a Boomer by 1 year.. for all this ‘Boomer’ haters)

Gen X were initially all about property with the transition into Bitcoin and you’re correct, Millennials are probably the biggest adopters by demo, followed closely by Gen-Z

Makes it even more likely there will be flocculation into different currency blocs for different purposes.

Maybe they are united much more by trying to oppose the west and the US, as they are seperated by their own interests. What do you think of silver as a backup for their new currency?

I've been trying to make this point to people freaking out about the BRICS currency taking over. If the relatively homogeneous EU can't cooperatively manage their currency, the very disparate BRICS coalition certainly won't be able to.

However, I've also always said that it could be a major factor in the ongoing de-dollarization trend.

As an inhabitant of a BRICS nation I would not trust such a currency more than what I trust ZAR or any other of the BRICS currencies. And that is not a lot.

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Why would anyone trust the BRICS+ central banks declared gold reserves? At best it'll be a fuzzy fractional reserve... a bit "fiat"-ish with gold as a marketing gimmick. Bitcoin is the only option.

You are right Lyn. Why would we trust the BRICS bankers to look after our gold?

Bitcoin is auditable by anyone in the world that knows a custodian's pub key. Auditing gold aways required humans who are subject to corruption and coercion.

50 yrs over are ALSO #Bitcoiners HARDCORE. (i get ur point/stat pov). Just a reminder from a ''getting younger 50+ Bitcoiner''. lol