My main point is that I don't think Nostr is attracting people who don't live for Bitcoin and software development. Maybe I'm just not seeing these people. Although, I think I have the major relays added that new people would likely use.

Either way, telling me to create all the content isn't really a solution. We need more people to come here and post.

I don't see enough "genetic diversity" here to populate an entire ecosystem like the major centralized platforms. They all had marketing and features that attracted people to come post. I came to Nostr specifically through Bitcoin. Cool, but we need something else for all the other people. Something is missing. It could be that the tech is too new or unreliable. Maybe people just aren't ready for Nostr. Maybe we lack marketing. Either way, pretending that everything is fine right now (just post stuff, bro) doesn't seem productive to me.

It seems stagnant to me and I don't think posting about cigars or my other interests is going to magically fix that problem. Neither will looking at few pictures of flowers or some rando's plate of food (probably posted by Bitcoiners if I dug deeper). We don't seem to have a funnel for people to get here and stay. Bitcoiners seem to be the major on ramp, and that obviously limits Nostr to Bitcoin growth and adoption.

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I don't live for Bitcoin and I have no clue how to develop software. I use Bitcoin for my made-to-order blanket sales but I don't listen to podcasts or whatever. my knowledge of programming starts and ends with how to make some words bold with tags.

nostr becomes what you put into it. at first I didn't have a lot of friends who had my same shared interests but I posted about those things. I shared my knitting projects. I talked about my experiences in parenthood. People who identified with me found me and I feel like I have a lot of friends here now.

As for cigars, maybe you and nostr:nprofile1qqst5x9k23f40nlcu5c6enlp6cy6g8hnqglm5pcak89ltfn5frqeq3spz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qg6waehxw309ac82unpwe5kgcfwdehhxarj9ekxzmny9uq3samnwvaz7tmev9exumrpv3ujuv33d45kctndv5hsm85fkf can be friends

I'm not saying that Bitcoin users on Nostr don't have other interests. I'm saying that I'm not seeing people posting here who don't have Bitcoin as a touch point. The biggest creators aren't here. The biggest names in the cigar space aren't posting here. Yes, I can find a couple people who like cigars. That's not my point. Having a statistically insignificant number of anecdotes isn't relevant to my point. I can't put enough work into Nostr to attract cigar manufacturers or the people in the industry I want to follow. They're on Instagram. They're on YouTube. They aren't here and neither are the vast majority of people in those communities.

And my main point is that I don't think Nostr is attractive to those people as it is. There's something missing. It isn't good to go. People need to acknowledge that for growth to happen.

I'm with Karo on this one, I've sold some things for bitcoin, but I post random things and I'll comment on the things I feel like. I've had tons of back and forth conversations with people, I post yarn stuff, cigars, food, and random parent or marriage things. It's enjoyable and some notes get a lot of engagement and some get none I don't fret because my regulars are always there for a chat 🤷‍♀️

I appreciate that, but that's not my point. These are statistically insignificant numbers compared to the centralized platforms. Finding a handful of exceptions doesn't negate my point. Using cigars as an example, manufacturers and the biggest names in the industry aren't here. They don't even know what Nostr is. People still have to go to YouTube and Instagram to reach a significant portion of that community. We aren't making progress on the marketing and attraction front. It's boring me. Things indeed take time, but I don't see a meaningful improvement over time.

First 50-100k daily users will need to be Bitcoiners prob.

I agree with all your points and I've been feeling the same lately. My opinion is that Nostr needs a literal YouTube clone with ALL the same functionality as YouTube, including allowing everyone to upload lots of videos for free. Of course the problem is file hosting, and I don't see how the app gets over that hurdle.

Infrastructure will always cost. Free is an illusion that the major platforms are masters at selling. That indeed is hard to compete with. It's harder to sell people on having to pay to use a service rather than be the product themselves. People don't realize how such models have shaped things like YouTube. Advertisers ultimately control what's on YouTube these days. Users paying would allow users to decide as a free market. Ads seem to always lead to a fiat type of environment where everything is murky. But I'm not sure how else to do "free." Context based ads would be a good start. That would probably be the closest we would get to pleasing everyone (users, creators, and advertisers).

Makes sense 👍

Would this change if bitcoin went through the suddenly phase?

i mean if we have worldwide adoption.. it would trigger more creaters to come.. and a positive feed back loop would occur?

This will resolve itself if/when Nostr-based businesses build funnels and marketing for their own self-interest and offer value that is apparent without explaining all about the underlying protocol.

a major blocker of this is the unstable and bespoke software architecture and a lot of design assumptions that are implicitly part of the specification that are contrary to business use case

this is a key area that i'm working in to actually get contracts with business... what i want is to build out a full collab stack for software companies

Yea I'm with some of the others who have little technical knowledge about software and rarely post about bitcoin.

The main driver will be other networks shitting the bed and people looking for alternatives. If telegram is actually compromised then thats a huge cohort of people that don't even know they want Nostr (especially if communities get built out well).

If the censorship train had continued on the same track as it was under Biden I think there would've been way more new people on here.

Just give the various governments time, they will crack down on free speech harder and harder and Nostr will be there for the refugees all of their diverse interests

Other networks shitting the bed will hopefully be a good motivator. Ultimately, I think we have to attract large creators. It'll be slow over years I think.