Nostr Web Client

I don't seek privacy.

I know that some of you do, and I want to support that, but I don't need it. I have a DNS record that ties an IP address to my legal name. Anything done by that IP address is, well, obviously me. If relays on nostr can associate my public key with my IP address, I really don't give a flying fuck. I am not engaging in illegal behavior (at least not knowingly) and I will happily comply with law enforcement should they think that I am. Trying to protect myself from all possible outcomes is I think a sign of paranoia. YES the government is wrong sometimes and oppressive sometimes and who knows what might happen. The general trends are worrying. But I address that by pushing for change, and by producing legal technology that helps push for change.

I understand some of you are fighting against evil top down systems of oppression via fiat currencies, and in doing so you are making yourselves targets, and are being anonymous so you can fight harder. That's fine, and I'll support privacy where I can. But this is not my personal battle. My battle is for free speech, a battlefield on which I don't have to be anonymous to fight with full ferocity.

So please appreciate the work I put into helping you maintain your privacy (gossip security, gossip relay privacy controls, etc) because I didn't need any of that for myself, that was 100% for you guys. And in doing so, don't mock my opsec or belittle my client just because it doesn't do things exactly the way you think it should do things.

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mad_dentist 1y ago

Violence runs the world. And right now the people capable of violence are evil pedophiles. You can leave the fight for the control of violence to the real men

Satosha 1y ago 💬 72

Privacy is so over blown that its sucking up all the air ..

I am not against it but Bitcoin is not private ..

there are only three core values. ...

- permissionless

- censor resistance

- immutable

Rest all are personal preferences..

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LogicallyMinded 1y ago

I’m afraid that without accessible privacy the censorship resistance property of Bitcoin will be greatly reduced.

Satosha 1y ago

Is it not private enough that despite most sophisticated search, no one knows if Satoshi was she , he or they :-) I am not an expert on tech but its like asking a proof for sun in broad day light 😊

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Satoshi was psuedonymous, but his transactions were not private. In fact we know a few of his addresses and how much Bitcoin they had.

Satosha 1y ago

Because Bitcoin is #public ledger .. no transactions are supposed to be private .. that is the "entire" point ..

Most of the transactions on Bitcoin network will be in millions of dollars ( if not billions ) ..it is a network to move big money ..between corporations and sovereigns .. the whole point is these txns should be open to everyone ..

We will buy coffee on lightning or fedimint .. you can make it as private as you want ..

Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Yes, you're right it is a transparent public ledger. In your previous reply you are confusing anonymity with privacy. They are two different concepts. One is hiding the identity of someone. The other is hiding the actions of someone. You can have one without the other.

Lol, Bitcoin is not only a corporation-to-corporation, business-to-business, or nation-to-nation protocol. It was supposed to be PEER-2-PEER electronic cash. Read the white paper please.

Lightning is not fully private even in theory, but more importantly it is not in private practice.

Fedimints are great privacy but sacrifice sovereignty by losing self custody which is a massive pillar of Bitcoin.

Lucky Kite 1y ago

If satoshi is alive and moved any of his bitcoins we would all see it. And from there, it would be possible for someone to eventually track down his IP address or the IP address of the the sent address holder (once they spend it, and if not them, the next person in the chain). And there would be a lot of motivation for block chain analysis experts to do this too. To avoid this, statoshi would (and perhaps is) going to have to censor himself.

Satosha 1y ago

I guess Satoshi would know how to make her IP private if she wanted to .. I mean such tools are already there .. nothing more needs to be done on Bitcoin software ..

There are tools for every scope and every need .. Bitcoin is a public ledger , it needs to be best public ledger ( as it is ) . It need not be everything to everyone ..

privacy is a personal choice and those who need it can figure it out

Lucky Kite 1y ago

if it is not private it is not permission-less. Your coins can be watched, and if you don't have permission from the state to spend them, you can be arrested and charged.

Lucky Kite 1y ago

ok, then why not just use twitter? Trust the system. Free speech is inextricably linked to privacy. You can't have one without the other. You need to be free to speak in private.

Dissident Sound 1y ago

it is also my policy that i don't do anything to where i would have to kill myself if i got caught doing it, because i believe there is always a risk that no matter what the precautions i might get caught.

anything we do we may be judged for or punished for but there are some things so wrong that if we got caught doing them NOBODY would have sympathy for us, and my policy is to not do those things, because no matter how low the risk of getting caught the price would be more than i can afford.

an example of what not to do is a doctor who was diagnosing healthy people with cancer just to make money by putting them on chemotherapy. i don't care how much money he made i can guarantee you he regrets it now.

even George Bush probably regrets doing 911 because he really withered after that under the stress.

so my policy is just assume you could be caught. obviously try not to get caught but assume that it could happen and don't do anything where if you got caught you wouldn't be able to bear the shame.

ben 1y ago 💬 1

saying you don’t need privacy is a pretty bad look.

every human needs privacy. I realize you’re talking in the context of nostr, but privacy is a touchy and often misunderstood subject.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

I concur that privacy is a misunderstood subject.

I think governments should respect the privacy of their citizens, and government actors should be constrained by laws that enforce this.

I'm 100% on board with Edward Snowden's views on this.

And if you are at odds with current (or expected future) governmental policies, I encourage you to use privacy to your advantage.

If you are using privacy to skirt responsibility for crimes, then I'm not in favor of such a use of privacy. But given the nature of privacy, there is no way to distinguish. We would have to break your privacy to find out that you were being a criminal and using privacy to hide it. I think that law enforcement needs to rise above this and be able to stop crime without violating people's privacy.

YET I don't care if nostr relays know the IP address of my home computer. I am not going to use TOR for everything and bend over backwards to hide. I am not going to remove the wires from the microphone and speaker of my mobile phone. YOU CAN, and I support you if you need it, but I won't be doing it. I'm not making some kind of better-than-thou statement, that you should be like me and not care about privacy. I'm just stating that I don't, not that my position is more moral or any bullshit like that. My point is that I put effort into making gossip private FOR YOU, and it bugs me when people don't appreciate it and make me feel bad.

🦄Onigirl🐹🐉 1y ago

I appreciate your work. I'm grateful it helps w protecting one's privacy. I guess users are worried if you might make a backdoor since you aren't concerned with your privacy.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

It is, and I have worked on better solutions in the recent past:

https://github.com/indra-labs/indranet

I need a lot of time to finish the work still, it needs a new p2p transport layer to scale better than ipfs, and the LN rails have not been built either, just placeholders currently.

47 1y ago

i think the biggest thing most people miss that don't grok the extent to which we all need some level of privacy is the effect our actions have on others.

If i am not dilligent around certain actions, these actions can implicate others and be used as a mechanism to exploit.

Privacy is neccesary in order to have a free and open society

Frontier Father 🧔⚡ 1y ago

You need privacy more than you think.

captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜 1y ago

it is same for 99% on rest using any registered ISP line mobile or fixed. excluding public wifi (which also collect IMEI or other IDs that can still be traced will some effort) In other word mojority of nostr users ARE NOT ANONYMOUS when logs are collected n traced.

captjack 🏴‍☠️✨💜 1y ago

just 1% to 5% who takes extra precautions on every session liek Snowden do r probably a bit of private

Laeserin 1y ago

Or you have a VPN running and restart your phone and forget to turn it back on.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

wireguard vpn client always resumes the connection

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

in my case also the DNS registration connects to me but that is withheld from the general public... the spooks and pigs can know it without any court procedure

if privacy is important you simply need to use a big userbase VPN or tor

i'd care more about privacy of my signals if there was any decently credible VPN system in the world but i am pretty sure most are too small, and i include tor in that

HardRich 1y ago

I generally think the same way as you. However, my concern is the future. What happens if my ideologies become “problematic” in the future when sentiment shifts for one reason or another. Look at folks who get canceled based on past comments, that at the time, were acceptable.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

I dunno if I'm a glutton for punishment or what, but somehow I'm looking forward to that, to fighting for justice and honor against evil people, even if I lose I win.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago 💬 1

Palestinians fight against Israel against impossible odds. They expect to be killed. Some people in the West think they believe in an afterlife and Allah will reward them in that afterlife. But I'm an athiest - I don't believe in any afterlife - and yet I have the same sense about things. I would rather be killed for promoting free speech or telling the truth about Israel than from cancer or a heart attack. Death is certain, and I would want to make my death impactful if possible. Even if I'm cancelled or imprisoned rather than killed, that still has the effect of being martyred and does great things for the cause of righteousness. Is there any greater point to life than fighting against evil? Julian Assange's life sucks balls right now, but his imprisonment has had a great effect. I don't fear these unlikely outcomes.

HardRich 1y ago

That’s pretty baller. I’m not sure if I’m a weak man or if I think my wife and kids need me too much. Hard to know what the answer is unless tested. I just hope to not be tested. I’d rather not find out that I’m a tittybaby. :) In the meantime ima try to be private - ala Ron Swanson.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

If I had a wife or kids I probably wouldn't feel this way. When I was younger I didn't feel this way either. I'm sure as hell not saying people should be like me. Maybe I'm nuts. I'm just saying it how it is.