Do you think American Christianity is very similar to the pre-Roman Catholic Church Christianity that nostr:nprofile1qqsyeqqz27jc32pgf8gynqtu90d2mxztykj94k0kmttxu37nk3lrktcprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7qghwaehxw309akkcettw5hxummnw3erztnrdakj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcctwvshsghzxa6 was discussing in his post? Or do you think it's perhaps changed or been fooled?
Shall we open up discussions on the gnostic Demiurge? 😅
Likely no, but that doesn't change my thesis that the teachings of Christianity create a fertile ground for these statist urges to grow in. I'd argue that it acts to prove my point far better than to refute it.
so, your logic is, christianity makes people into satanist idol worshipers. got it.
First of all, frame of reference, I don't believe in Satan. Believing in Satan is a christian thing.
Second of all, I don't believe in worship of anything or anyone.
Who is easier to get to worship the state? A person with a hard and fast no worship of anything rule? Or a person trained to worship then given a short list of acceptable objects of worship?
Simply declare that your government is gods chosen government and a huge number of Christians will follow and support you without questioning.
You may say that you have read the bible and it says something else, but I have 2000 years of historical records repeatedly showing that works. Not just history, simply looking around America today shows it still works. It doesn't even have to be convincing. Trump has no Christian qualities in any of his actions but he declared he believed and the evangelical branches of Christianity fell in line and all voted for him 3 times.
No true Scotsman incoming in 5, 4, 3...
I think that's why there's so much emphasis on looking within to find the kingdom of God. We can look into our hearts and discern for ourselves. We can tell them by their fruit.
I'm not saying it's what the Bible or Jesus teach either.
I'm saying that it clearly sets a large number of people up with this giant hole of an exploit that governments repeatedly take advantage of.
There are a lot of (if not more) self described atheists who worship the State too. It is basically inevitable that we will each have a hierarchy of values. Whatever sits atop said hierarchy will effectively be that person's God whether they realize it or not.
for me, that is the eternal laws of the universe.
Couldn't possibly be more since you outnumber us by such wide margins.
I see a lot of Christians claiming people are atheists based on what they consider to be ungodly actions. That doesn't make them atheists. For example look at the Hispanic drug gangs and Catholicism.
I think there's also a Plato vs Aristotle issue.
I don't recognize one mind as God, yet I don't believe in the State.
At the core, Christianity is centered around a man who was tortured & killed by his govt for helping people & for telling the truth.
There are people who say things like "three nails & a cross saved the world" or "the death of Jesus saved the world" but I think those common sayings are basically a corruption of the message.
I think it's the recognition that the torture & murder of Jesus was the greatest sin in human history which we are supposed to remember when we see the cross. The idea being that we should never repeat the mistake.
A religion that might encourage people to protect Julian Assange, or any of the doctors who spoke out against the covid insanity, or anyone else who points to reality in ways that threaten authority is the sort of religion the world needs.
The main issue is that the masses always want to escape responsibility for having to tell the truth & power hungry people always want to subjugate people with comfortable lies. The focus on miracles & any sort of deification, rather than the recognition that he was mortal & did actually suffer & die, is actually destructive IMO.
Christian NPC: "Yeah, but he was God, who am I?"
Authoritarians: "Yeah, but he was God, who are you?"
i just think it has a lot in common with the phenomenon of "cargo cults" when people with low levels of tech and science encounter those with very high tech and science, and there is many things pointing towards the idea that Jesus was born of one of these advanced scientific projects and was part of a process of preparing the ground for another advanced scientific project, which is more like a charitable gift of humans surviving the next disaster cycle of the earth that would, according to the knowledge of these advanced people, extinct us.
