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but IMO the problem is that people don't have a mental model to defend themselves against the deception and violence of the state

christianity is precisely what defends against it. samuel 8 and Jesus famous saying about render unto caesar are both condemnations of government.

sadly most christians are afraid to speak up or act against state violence but the entire early history of the church was literally an effective defense against the roman empire. so much so that 300 years after the religion appeared, the emperor pretended to have a vision and established the roman catholic church. and then they steadily poisoned the doctrines with nonsense and ritual until by 1200 or so the road was fully paved towards atheistic nihilism of the modern liberal democratic state. we are now at the end of their ride on the corpses of the humans who died or were never born because of its violence and the great news is that their system is not just in freefall collapse right now, anyone who isn't listening to the still small voice is going to be washed away, swallowed up in the earth or burnt alive by the "act of God" that is coming, the one you know i've talked about (pole shift/micronova)

i see bitcoin as one of the tools we have been granted by God as a means to enabling those of us who are listening, to hear the call to where we need to be, in order to inherit the earth.

Bill Cypher 6mo ago 💬 4

Dude, you haven't payed any attention to America if you think christianity protects against the state.

Christianity by its very nature teaches bowing to a superior power. All of the Christians here transferred that skill expertly onto begging the government to giving them another power to bow down to with even more rules.

God and Country is literally on bumper stickers everywhere.

Atheism on the other hand teaches you that there is nothing higher to worship. I'd bet a fair amount the % of atheists among anarchists is far higher than the % of atheists among the general population.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 6mo ago 💬 2

watching the fawning of atheists over dawkins and nietsche i'd say that they don't get it either. or nietsche. but dawkins is a total satan lite evangelist.

see, the thing is, i know a few things about big numbers and randomness and chaos theory. i don't think it's enough to explain some of the things i've seen and read about and experience on a daily basis. i used to think it was "magick" but after i fell right into the hole of determinism i became sure that this was what God was. not all powerful. all knowing. and offering hints to progress the journey. i came to think of God as like the Game Designer.

because life is a game, of sorts. you can choose many different outcomes but the best ones are the ones that came to you in a dream, or were whispered in your ear by who knows who.

also, one of the things you learn when you study cryptography and number theory is that there is something in there, something spooky, and eternal. deep in physics there is also something funny going on that doesn't fit the "there is no purpose and there is eternal decay into the void" story.

lao tzu wrote that there is a beginning, but there is no end. who started it?

Kip Ashlynn 6mo ago 💬 1

I really love the idea of God as the game designer. Maybe we all listen to the nice voices in our heads 🫂

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 6mo ago

yup. that insight came to me after a period of intense prayer too, as described in Phillipians 4:6-7

it's not likely anyone living a comfortable life is going to try it though. i had no money, and no hope at the time. i spent the next 6 months or so through the winter and was guided back to my favourite city, Sofia, and there i weathered the winter in relative comfort, on the street, but full of purpose. it was my "conversion on teh road to damascus" experience. up until that point i was mostly in a mind of deterministic nihilism. and then i found the opposite pole, of deterministic infinity. the two things are valid but one is a road to hell.

Bill Cypher 6mo ago 💬 1

This is a long-winded god of the gaps. Your god shrinks with every new scientific discovery.

Kip Ashlynn 6mo ago

Idk the more science I learn the more I believe in a divine presence flowing through all of God's creation.

Jeff Swann 6mo ago 💬 2

Reality created us, is ever present, & contains all information. Reality is the body of God.

If two people are married to God/reality first then their relationship might work, if not then someone will be enslaved to the delusions of the other.

Whether there is some external consciousness that we can communicate with, or some deep & ancient internal wisdom we can tap into makes for an interesting discussion.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 6mo ago

yeah, i am inclined towards the model of the akashic records - a conduit to accessing the information of the universe for all time, but more likely there is only a limited data set that you can even comprehend out of that, let alone is relevant to you. this would be some kind of far out quantum nonlocality wave function type stuff.

there is, however, a pretty good chance that since that model has some viability based on what we already know about physics, that there is also ways to exploit some kind of quantum nonlocality effect that is part of our brain function that an advanced civilization might know how to use to communicate with us, as well.

Kip Ashlynn 6mo ago

I think the electromagnetic fields that are within our bodies are our pathway to that quantum nonlocality wave function. I think we all are capable of tapping into that and making spooky action at a distance happen 🥰

Bill Cypher 6mo ago

Wild baseless assertions.

I'm out. I have better things to to today than convince you to let go of your imaginary friend.

Kip Ashlynn 6mo ago 💬 1

Do you think American Christianity is very similar to the pre-Roman Catholic Church Christianity that nostr:nprofile1qqsyeqqz27jc32pgf8gynqtu90d2mxztykj94k0kmttxu37nk3lrktcprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7qghwaehxw309akkcettw5hxummnw3erztnrdakj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcctwvshsghzxa6 was discussing in his post? Or do you think it's perhaps changed or been fooled?

Shall we open up discussions on the gnostic Demiurge? 😅

Bill Cypher 6mo ago 💬 2

Likely no, but that doesn't change my thesis that the teachings of Christianity create a fertile ground for these statist urges to grow in. I'd argue that it acts to prove my point far better than to refute it.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 6mo ago 💬 1

so, your logic is, christianity makes people into satanist idol worshipers. got it.

Bill Cypher 6mo ago 💬 1

First of all, frame of reference, I don't believe in Satan. Believing in Satan is a christian thing.

Second of all, I don't believe in worship of anything or anyone.

Who is easier to get to worship the state? A person with a hard and fast no worship of anything rule? Or a person trained to worship then given a short list of acceptable objects of worship?

Simply declare that your government is gods chosen government and a huge number of Christians will follow and support you without questioning.

You may say that you have read the bible and it says something else, but I have 2000 years of historical records repeatedly showing that works. Not just history, simply looking around America today shows it still works. It doesn't even have to be convincing. Trump has no Christian qualities in any of his actions but he declared he believed and the evangelical branches of Christianity fell in line and all voted for him 3 times.

No true Scotsman incoming in 5, 4, 3...

Kip Ashlynn 6mo ago 💬 1

I think that's why there's so much emphasis on looking within to find the kingdom of God. We can look into our hearts and discern for ourselves. We can tell them by their fruit.

Bill Cypher 6mo ago 💬 1

I'm not saying it's what the Bible or Jesus teach either.

I'm saying that it clearly sets a large number of people up with this giant hole of an exploit that governments repeatedly take advantage of.

Jeff Swann 6mo ago 💬 2

There are a lot of (if not more) self described atheists who worship the State too. It is basically inevitable that we will each have a hierarchy of values. Whatever sits atop said hierarchy will effectively be that person's God whether they realize it or not.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 6mo ago

for me, that is the eternal laws of the universe.

Bill Cypher 6mo ago

Couldn't possibly be more since you outnumber us by such wide margins.

I see a lot of Christians claiming people are atheists based on what they consider to be ungodly actions. That doesn't make them atheists. For example look at the Hispanic drug gangs and Catholicism.

a source familiar with the matter 6mo ago

I think there's also a Plato vs Aristotle issue.

I don't recognize one mind as God, yet I don't believe in the State.

https://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/the-duel-between-good-and-evil-aristotle-versus-plato-ayn-rand-versus-kant/

Jeff Swann 6mo ago 💬 1

At the core, Christianity is centered around a man who was tortured & killed by his govt for helping people & for telling the truth.

There are people who say things like "three nails & a cross saved the world" or "the death of Jesus saved the world" but I think those common sayings are basically a corruption of the message.

I think it's the recognition that the torture & murder of Jesus was the greatest sin in human history which we are supposed to remember when we see the cross. The idea being that we should never repeat the mistake.

A religion that might encourage people to protect Julian Assange, or any of the doctors who spoke out against the covid insanity, or anyone else who points to reality in ways that threaten authority is the sort of religion the world needs.

The main issue is that the masses always want to escape responsibility for having to tell the truth & power hungry people always want to subjugate people with comfortable lies. The focus on miracles & any sort of deification, rather than the recognition that he was mortal & did actually suffer & die, is actually destructive IMO.

Christian NPC: "Yeah, but he was God, who am I?"

Authoritarians: "Yeah, but he was God, who are you?"

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 6mo ago

i just think it has a lot in common with the phenomenon of "cargo cults" when people with low levels of tech and science encounter those with very high tech and science, and there is many things pointing towards the idea that Jesus was born of one of these advanced scientific projects and was part of a process of preparing the ground for another advanced scientific project, which is more like a charitable gift of humans surviving the next disaster cycle of the earth that would, according to the knowledge of these advanced people, extinct us.