The whole ICE thing seems very odd. I can’t make out whether it’s good in the short term or terrible in the long term
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Try terrible in the short term and long term.
Is there no positive re the open borders from last 4 years ?
Hard to find one, with all the human rights abuses going on now.
What's happening now is worse, IMHO, 100%. The vast majority of people crossing the border are doing so for better job opportunities. They're not hurting anyone.
Creating an armed, masked secret police force to tackle these 50-year old car wash workers and throw them into gulags, supported with (now) _explicit_ racial profiling being allowed by the Supreme Court... yes, that's worse.
Natural flow is positive, an agenda to flood countries with migrants and fund them, nope.
Oh come on, you're saying that if "Davos" didn't decree it, millions of people wouldn't naturally want to seek better opportunities in the USA vs their impoverished Central / South American homeland?
So what, was there an "globalist agenda" to cause the massive wave of Irish immigrants during the Potato famine?
Was it those "pesky globalists at it again" back when Peloponnesian War in 431 BC that caused a refugee crisis, straining the resources of Athens?
Geez, Soros must have a time machine or something!
If you don’t recognise the massive problem occurring i don’t have much else to say. I travel constantly, globally. It’s a bigger problem than I’ve ever seen in 40 years
Almost 80% of Americans polled are pro-immigration, even the ones that voted for the current mess.
Nothing wrong with immigration, very positive
If you are honestly debating whether sending people who have committed no crime to a torture camp that is known for amputating people's healthy limbs is "good in the short term" you can respectfully go fuck yourself
inb4 the bootlickers reply with “So they shouldn’t have crossed the border in the first place.”
Who is they ?
I get it if you believe in open borders but you have no idea who’s entered your country
Me I guess.
Im a “bootlicker” because I want people to obey the law when and how they come here. 🙄
I want a limited government that upholds the Constitution and laws, so…
We all do so …
We who? If this were true, we would have that.
Most here
I want to government, but I venture to say that a very large portion of them wouldn't be here if previous administrations hasn't literally bussed and flow them in by the millions, at the expense of myself and my progeny. So, it they wanna send them back, I won't protest it.
Of course. Sounds amazing.
What if I told you the current laws, allow anyone from anywhere in the world, to come to any American border point and ask for asylum.
And it is the current Administration in power that’s violating the law, by denying asylum to anyone(except White South Africans) and locking up those already in the asylum process.
Deporting everyone, including non criminals aliens, who are currently in the process of determining their asylum status.
So if you did care about LAWS, then you should upset at the current administration for not following THE LAW.
I’m referring to the millions who poured across the southern border with zero checks, not genuine asylum seekers
Genuine Asylum seekers are currently being detained and held in jail until their asylum case has been ruled on by a judge. If they don’t want to stay in jail, they can “voluntarily” be deported by giving up their asylum case. That is happening right now for Asylum seekers who entered the country through border checkpoints.
On December 4th in Boston at a citizenship ceremony, several people from 19 countries who have been living in America for more than a decade, were in the process of swearing their allegiance to America. Individuals from the 19 countries were removed from the ceremony and told their citizenship swearing was effectively canceled. These a people who have already gone through ALL KINDS OF VETTING PROCESS.
If you real care about the laws of America, then you should pay close attention to what is happening to legal immigrants all over America. Legal immigrants and American citizens have been snatched off the streets and detained until they can prove their status. Trump administration is currently violating the rights of people across the country.
Obama deported over 3 millions plus people, without resorting to mass arrests of anyone that looked brown or black.
This situation can be handled without dragging people from their cars, schools, work places and in front of their children.
That i agree with
As always, anything to do with the State, follow the money. All immigration jails are private prisons.
The Big Beautiful Bill set aside $40 BILLION for Immigration detention facilities. 3 companies run over 90% of immigration detention facilities.
Trump administration is holding legal(those currently waiting for their asylum applications to be granted)and “illegal” immigrants in these private jails.
In previous administrations, asylum seekers were not detained until their status is determined. Currently about 80,000 people are in those jails waiting for their status approval or deportation.
Overwhelming numbers of them do not have criminal records.
This is a money grab by the State and their sponsors.
Ok. So you think it is ok to have a state acting criminal, when some peoplemthat enter are not genuine asylum seekers?
I think your line of thinking is flawed...
Thanks for pointing this out. Written laws is the base of checks and balance. By what measure would a society work, when laws are broken by the government?
I would have higher expectations to state employees payed by tax money than from imigrants.
I expect Police to be a rolemodel for upholding the rights of a state. Otherwise, what legitimation would they have in their activities?
It’s a question that needs asking, it’s not a Fuck off. Millions crossed during the covidscam with no medical torture, yet millions of Americans were forced to take experimental jabs and now have to fund millions of illegal aliens via taxes. It’s an obvious question when I as a British person am expected to jump through multiple hoops to enter. I guess put them up at your place.
Also I never suggested Guantanamo as an option
So you are suggesting that people should be deported to torture camps bc you have to fill out a form to come to america
Lmfao please get out of my replies you pathetic psycho
I never mentioned Guantanamo. You did. I was asking about ICE as a concept yo deal with a problem. Your response is childish
And yes to deported if they cross illegally and have no right to be there.
And No to torture camps
It’s f’ing simple.
And yes i have to register my entry and exit every f’ing time.
As should everyone if ‘we’ believe in Nation States and borders. If not then send who the fuck you want in, which was happening. Not looking great for America longterm
Deporting People doesn’t mean torturing people. It means f’ing deporting them. Back to their country of origin unless they are genuinely at risk, then that becomes something different. An agenda to flood a country with millions of other cultures to push division and create problems is not a valid ‘refugee’ issue.
Refugee is a whole different subject, these are illegal aliens crossing illegally.
These people make it easier to just say “yes” then waste time arguing.
Yes, I think that illegal immigrants should be removed at all costs. Anything else?
The stupid point about torturing winds me up. Of course no one should be tortured, they’re humans. My initial question was just is a short period of ICE a good thing or not. Obviously longterm it’s like a Stasi potentially.
Immigration control enforcement should be standard, permanent, and strict. The bad part was the decades of lackluster enforcement. We should fix the current situation using any means necessary. Quote it!
the progressives and the open borders libertarians already decided that no dialogue will take place with people who only want to stop sending them to torture camps. so we will continue to have torture camps.
You’re a respected independent journalist. What is your answer to millions of completely unknown people flooding the States ? If your only answer is saying Guantanamo to my question then maybe rethink your journalism
Agreed 😬
Maby to have a legitimate border police, that has responsible officers working according the laws of the country?
Demanding more resources for the lawsystem to offer a fair traial to every imigrant. That would be an option that is humain and align with human rights.
Oh FFS get a grip. It’s not what’s been going on. Stop being a f’ing libtard just for the sake of it. I’m not saying people shouldn’t seek asylum, I’m saying the system is broken. I’m sorry but I’m not a modern day moron, I see it and call it out unlike Lola and this BS. I’m not a Trump / Biden / Obama / Bush follower. I’m a human who gives a shit. These policies are part of such an obvious agenda to break down society yet you all just bleat like sheep. Wake up !
What is obvious to you seems spectacular to me. You speak like a quiet cynic person, that just throws all in the same pot.
But there is a systemic difference in governments, that execute questional decisions and a government, that attacks checks and balances, the free press and acts as if it would stand above the law.
In a best case the current US government unites the society in enforcing the democratic foundations. In the worst case, they are successful in their plan to erradicate the foundations.
As if all the others weren’t. For Christ’s sake, it’s all a game. We’re being played. Stop buying into the BS. Everything is a set up for the next.
Example : I’m 58. Lived through the fear mongering later 70s early 80s Nuclear War constant propaganda. Now the EU repeats the same BS. The EU is f’ing broke, useless cunts who’ve wrecked their economies through ridiculous economic / energy policies and now wants us to believe it’s all Russia’s fault. NO. They are self serving, useless leeches who have no interest in their citizens. Time to wake up
You seem to live in a different world than me. I just woke up and most EU countries apart from Hungary are still powerful democracies. Yes they are in dept.
But you putting the Mafiastate of the FSB as victims is just too telling what propaganda you are following 🫣😂
Maby time to wake up from the FSB-Propaganda 😉
Is this Ursula ?
This is your wonderful democracy, a failing State turning dystopian in their desperation.
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I am not claiming that european countries are wonderful democracies. But I still would not see examples of higher forms of democracy and freedom in other countries.
Apart from Switzerland 😉
There are no ‘democracies’ . We are conditioned to believe that. You vote for nothing more than poor options that change zilch.
Participate in politics, get active and see, that the only person holding you back is you. It is plain false what you say. Every citizen can get active.
But you have to decide toldo so. Your political liberties are by no way restricted to voting.
"completely unknown people flooding the States"
What right do I have to know the movements of other people?
Ah ok, you believe in open borders. That’s more like it. Honesty. Personally i don’t. Not with the political system we have in place. A more balanced World yes but that’s not where we’re at
Illegally entering a country is a crime.
Nobody is wanting anyone tortured or have their limbs removed.
—Its Conjecture that thats even happening. You show a screenshot if a plane that went to Cuba. Might of had an actual terrorist on it. You don’t know.
In any event, How about just send illegals back to where they came from?
Yes, I voted for that.
So then might request this from your government while holding them accountable for the crimes against humanrights, that they commit.
Or would you go as far and deny human rights to some of our species?