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Everyone should have due process back where they are from 100%
It requires some process to determine where a particular person is from, including if they are from here or elsewhere.
Yep, would be pretty bad if they were deporting random people off the street. Silver lining from having a surveillance state that knows everything about you.
But practically, is that feasible when illegal immigration goes unchecked for four years and you have millions of people to process? Seems to me that that becomes a point of failure that is being exploited. Bury the other political party with an insurmountable amount of work and endless negative publicity.
How long to determine how they arrived?
Itâs so wild to that a country populated by immigrants can be so intolerant to immigrants.
America was created by settlers who built a nation from scratch, which is a tad bit different from Guatemalans walking across the border in the year 2025.
With that understanding of the world and history, Iâm sure youâre constantly bewildered
So do you support native Americans coming off the reservations and deporting you to wherever your family immigrated from?
With that understanding... You know the rest.
If they had the ability, they would have sent the settlers back to England, but they didnât, so you know the rest.
Native Americans didnât built shit let alone the most powerful nation the world has ever seen. They were mostly nomadic tribes, but nice try lol
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So the fact that Latin Americans continually migrate for decades and European settlers have failed to stop it shows that the european settlers are the new incompetents who don't deserve the land like the native americans before. Gotcha.
Absolutely wild take! đ
100%
This'll piss off the hornets nest. Thank you for speaking up. It sometimes feels lonely to be on nostr and really care about individual liberties.
You can't expect the State to respect any liberties nowadays.
"Constitutional rights are the rights of the United Statesâ people concerning the governmentâs actions and responsibilities."
One does not have to be a US citizen to have these rights, one just needs to be on US ground.
Right? I think I heard this from Judge Napolitano. Quite a proponent of upholding the constitution.
However not many people talk about constitutional rights, they are conveniently forgotten and stepped over by government and US citizens...
But practically, is that feasible when illegal immigration goes unchecked for four years and you have millions of people to process? Seems to me that that becomes a point of failure that is being exploited. Bury the other political party with an insurmountable amount of work and endless negative publicity.
More people were deported under Biden, with due process, than under Trump's first term. Same with Obama. So who really let illegal immigration go unchecked more?
From my understanding, those numbers were greatly distorted because they were counting turnawayâs as deportations. That is no longer happening.
Governments often like to use crises as a pretext for taking away civil liberties.
There are plenty of ways to reduce illegal immigration and pressure illegal immigrants to leave, and even deport many of them, without violating due process.
Have you listened to the latest Common Sense with Dan Carlin Lyn? Carlin was the first person I ever sent bitcoin to and he's been talking about civil liberties being stripped away for 30 years. He calls this his bias.
He read a letter from Abraham Lincoln to William H. Herndon, 15 February 1848. It's a powerful letter and I've been thinking about it in the context of the new administration ever sense. Trump is taking the opposite side of the first Republican president on this issue. I would love to hear your thoughts about it.
"Dear William:
Your letter of the 29th January was received last night- Being exclusively a constitutional argument, I wish to submit some reflections upon it in the same spirit of kindness that I know actuates youâ Let me first state what I understand to be your positionâ It is, that if it shall become necessary, to repel invasion, the President may, without violation of the constitution, cross the line, and invade the teritory of another country; and that whether such necessity exists in any given case, the President is to be the sole judgeâ
Before going further, consider well whether this is, or is not your positionâ If it is, it is a position that neither the President himself, nor any friend of his, so far as I know, has ever takenâ Their only positions are first, that the soil was ours where hostilities commenced, and second, that whether it was rightfully ours or not, Congress had annexed it, and the President, for that reason was bound to defend it, both of which are as clearly proved to be false in fact, as you can prove that your house is not mine. That soil was not ours; and Congress did not annex or attempt to
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annex itâ But to return to your position: Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, is to and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purposeâ and you allow him to make war at pleasureâ Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after you have given him so much as you proposeâ If, to-day, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, "I see no probability of the British invading us" but he will say to you "be silent; I see it, if you dont"â
The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress, was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasonsâKings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the objectâ This, our convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon usâ But your view destroys the whole matter, and places our President where Kings have always stood. Write soon againâ
Yours truly,
A Lincoln"
I'm a fan of trite evocative comments lacking all context.
Without due process, freedom is just a slogan
I was too until a week ago. Itâs one of the broken things of democracy. If influx is cheap and outflow expensive the importing government overrules the deporting one and the will of the people at that time. If the citizens decide that its more important to correct this imbalance than their own rights not acting will probably only increase that tension.
Invasions have, historically, not been repelled using the judicial system, nor can they be, nor should they be.
It's a slippery slope, which is not actually a logical fallacy when this begins.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/25/us-citizen-deportation-donald-trump-00311631
Open borders are one game theoretical checkmate if we allow "due process" to everyone who is here illegitimately.
I do not have the answers. But we have to solve this from both ends, I think.
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Should I expect a decade of due process if I decided to go live in Norway illegally?
Just like trade deficits - immigration was accepted and embraced a long time ago, as a win-win for everyone living here. It benefits all of us.
If justice was not blind
(in some cases deaf and dumb as well)
The corrupt will never see the corruption.
Estimates range from 12 - 15 MILLION undocumented immigrants living in the US. I welcome legal immigrants, but what other country would allow so many unofficial residents? Canada? Australia? Japan? Germany? I doubt it.
I agree.
But what does that have to do with due process?
âdue processâ is a term leftists like to throw around when their âMaryland Manâ narrative broke down. Same with the word âdemocracyâ.
What kind of Nazi horse shit take is that
Oh wait.. thereâs the other one leftists love to use as well, âNaziâ! Thanks for reminding me! You can now go back to drawing your swastikas.
I suppose itâs how we define it. If someone is caught with no documentation, they have a right to a hearing before deportation in case theyâve lost their papers or thereâs some administrative mistake. Fine. But years of release during multiple appeals should be out.
In theory due process sounds like the right thing but have you seen due process in the States? It's a shit show. Without a costly lawyer to defend you from the judicial tyrants the end result will likely be the same. I'm guessing most immigrants are not able to afford that kind of help.
I'm not suggesting skip due process... simply that in this case it won't matter much.
Without due process anyone can be labeled a terrorist and thrown in jail. Insane that anyone who even pretends to care about âfreedomâ can be dumb enough to not realize that. Think about all the politicians you donât like having that power.
