I don't know anyone that thinks that way. This seems like a self-serving fantasy.
Nostr can be objectively refuted from multiple perspectives.
You don't need to be a jealous hater to be disinterested.
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I don’t think it’s an active thought - more like a personality trait. They don’t need to be a hater to have an ego that prevents them from being early.
I was early to bitcoin but had an ego too - not a holier than though type but deep engrained ignorance and that led to ignoring bitcoin for too long after my initial encounter. Took a lot of learning on my own time to put that kind of attitude aside.
Could also be other things preventing them - too busy, too much money, family first, only want to focus on bitcoin - who knows…
Also, being intelligent and being early to things doesn’t always coincide. Plenty of smart people come into a space much further down the road when someone has already formed a path.
But your presumption is they don't understand nostr or what is happening here, right? That there is some sort of wide ignorance?
That ignores everything I stated in the post, I think?
Sure, what you described can be a factor, but I think you are describing what *Nostr people* think about others, and that is more about Nostr egos imo -- not an actual common or likely reason, just a projection as a convenient guess.
I’m not saying those are the only factors. There’s the adoption curve and a million other factors - of which I’m sure some are being displeased with the technical aspects. If I had to but I’d say adoption curve, network effects, peer signaling, some ego)
If they build something better - great 👍 let everyone know.
I get the vibe that you’re trying to win some imaginary argument and I’m just sharing my opinion and have nothing to argue.
I am defending the thread topic, as always.
Surely you noticed I come to socials to posit arguments :)
Can you link to these “perspectives” that “Nostr” can be objectively refuted?
- High bandwidth usage
- Relay operators need to get paid, and the typical user currently pays for centralized services by sharing their data. Paying for multiple relays will not be accepted by these folks.
- Instead of one evil corporation having your data, everyone has access to your notes, etc.
- Privacy was never a consideration in the protocol design
- NIPs are a moving target. People have been attempting to implement private (secure) chats and marketplaces, but have to keep rewriting and redesigning what they just released.
I'm sure if you spend a few minutes, you can think of other issues, unless you're a new user.
This is great, appreciate this. I believe there's good progress happening on all these fronts. Good news is the permissionless-ness is working just fine 🚀
Where is the progress on the second item in my list? (honest question, since this is the elephant in the room)
I bet there's a free relay broadcasting our notes so we can have this conversation 😂. Seriously though, some people think that companies will run relays to support their other products. We'll probably see relays specific to different types of apps. I still wonder if someone will figure out a clever way to do free-relays that are ad supported.
I wouldn't put any of that under "good progress".
I think ad supported relays will be acceptable to the typical user of centralized systems, but I've only seen disdain for the idea from current Nostr users, and no mention of designs for it.
Well, to push back on your premise - what makes you think it’s a real problem? Do you have any evidence that lack of paid relays is problematic? Consider damus and primal relays - both make money from other things and run a big free relay.
if they don't want ads they'll pay. If they won't do either, they'll **have to**: leave, run their own relay, or learn their lesson
- high bandwidth usage
that's one of the tradeoffs, keep reading below to understand.
- relay operators need to get paid
not necessarily, the goal that is currently work in progress is to have the outbox model be widely adopted. every user has their own relay they run, or have someone run for them.
there is significant progress being made over different clients aiming to this.
just like with TOR, there will always be people willing to run relays for free.
not to mention that running a nostr relay is easy and accessible to anyone.
- instead of one evil corporation having your data, everyone does
information should be free and nostr enables that. as soon as you post something on legacy social media, it is *public*, it can be seen by anyone so what is nostr doing wrong? nostr takes it a step further by making it verifiable with every post being signed. "don't trust, verify."
when we say nostr is better for your privacy, it is the case because your *private* data (ie queries sent to relays) gets spread all over nostr via hundreds of different relays (outbox model). that way, it is significantly harder for any malicious actor to be able to know what/where you are browsing.
on the client side, you are not being tracked which is not the case on legacy social media where every single touch on your screen is analyzed. (most nostr clients are open source, that can be verified)
- privacy was never a consideration in the protocol design
the main goal behind nostr is censorship resistance and is currently the best real decentralized network in the social media realm.
privacy is and has always been a consideration for most builders and users of nostr. you notice that when you look at the NIPs, and how a lot of clients integrate TOR.
- NIPs are a moving target.
that is one of the main strengths of nostr, achieving interoperability is not easy but it's being done remarkably for most NIPs.
seems like when something is rewritten, it is for the better. take a look at DMs, we're going from NIP-04 to NIP-17 (so much better) to now NIP-EE achieving MLS integration on a decentralized network.
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there are issues and we all know that, what makes nostr different is that we're at least acknowledging them and trying to solve them consistently.
