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One question I hear most from new nostriches is “how… setup/where do I get/how do I link/etc. lightning wallet?”

1st thing new nostriches…

YOU DO NOT NEED A SELF-CUSTODY LIGHTNING WALLET. Yes, running a lightning node and non-custodial would be awesome, BUT that is not for the faint of heart and requires you to dedicate at least a million sats usually to maintain channels and time.

2nd don’t worry about a custodial wallet for nostr zaps, you most likely will never have more a lot of sats on it at one time, just get a Strike wallet, or a Speed wallet… Wallet of Satoshi if you are not in the US… those all are fast and easy and unless they have changed anything since I created them, all you need is an email unless you want to buy sats. Once you have the wallet, just put your lightning address where every the app you are using requires it… sometimes in the profile edit, sometimes in settings, either way it’s easy and you can get zapped. The ability to use the wallet to zap with may be different depending on the app you are using it from, but asknostr if you can’t figure it out. Bingo now you have lightning set up on nostr.

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Marc 5mo ago

I like Minibits from the zapstore.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

FUD nostr:nprofile1qqsrf5h4ya83jk8u6t9jgc76h6kalz3plp9vusjpm2ygqgalqhxgp9gpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43qzxrhwden5te0wfjkccte9eekummjwsh8xmmrd9skc34yxrm self-custodial embedded node is toddler simple. Send on-chain sats, open a channel, start zapping. There's no need to give your sats to someone else. Zaplocker makes it so you don't need an "always on" node.

We are talking about sending money unhindered by regulation, it's supposed to have a couple steps but they are not hard to take.

Technical Debt 5mo ago

I believe the hardest “step” to self custodian zaps is the amount required for locking in a LN channel.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

This can't be avoided though. It's like saying "I want a bank account but I don't want to deposit anything..." Try to open a bank account with no money, doesn't work.

Technical Debt 5mo ago

aktchually… you can, some won’t even wait for your first deposit before issuing debit and sometimes credit cards.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

You literally cannot. I have discussed this at length with bank personnel. All accounts have a minimum deposit limit. Credit on the other hand is not analogous to this situation.

Technical Debt 5mo ago

I suppose things are different in your country then, but in Brazil it’s just as I described. Works the same for both fintech and conventional banks.

Monopoly money aside, even a BTC wallet starts at zero so it’s not unheard of.

Still, even if LN channels were “free” you still need to understand when and why you need to open/close them, the whole thing is not exactly as plug and play as normal transactions from a UX perspective.

Just my two sats.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

Of course. Onchain is the simplest. But Zeus make lightning very easy. Open a channel with Zeus (even with balanced liquidity) then start receiving and sending zaps. It's literally that simple. I think opening a bank account is harder. Id, social security numbers, employment verification, and banking app usernames and passwords? Or just create embedded node, fund onchain address, fund channel, boom zapping.

₿k 5mo ago

Your analogy is flawed. One can receive money after opening a bank account. But one can’t accept self-custody lightning payment until you have managed the channel for incoming liquidity.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

No it isn't, if you have a findable node, people can open a channel to you and send you sats without any input from you... No channel management necessary.

₿k 5mo ago

Lol bro, you’re trying to argue for an argument’s sake, so I won’t participate further than my point below.

Who’s going to open a channel to a brand-new node without any other connection? You’d have to pay for that, and that’s the whole point: no non-tech person is going to bother with such cumbersome work.

Technical Debt 5mo ago

I believe “cumbersome” is the keyword here, unfortunately.

JackTheMimic 4mo ago

Yo, you are the one who said "you can't" and you absolutely can. I have opened plenty of channels that I expect to have repeat payments to and paid nodes using lightning (because I don't want to pay fees for weekly payments (for services rendered).

I literally help people set these things up for a living. Each time they go "it's that easy?" And I say "Yep."

It's not installing an OS from commandline like Gentoo linux. It's literally installing an app on your phone and using it. This "it's too hard" crap is garbage.

Luke 5mo ago

So it is a pay wallet, most noobs don’t want to pay for something they are new to… I’m giving them free options

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

What? You literally can't send money if you don't have any, what are you even talking about? If you want to receive money you have to have a channel which always costs bitcoin to open. I don't understand what you are saying.

Luke 5mo ago

Most new nostriches don’t even have a lightning wallet to receive 5 sats if someone wants to zap them, I am explaining a quick and easy way for them to start receiving zaps, not hodl or send… once they have learned more, than Zeus may be an option for them if they want

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

I get what you are doing. This leads people down a primrose path of control. I am against that. Especially when self-custody is not hard.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

You don't "Pay" Zeus. You use your own Bitcoin to open a channel with zeus. No one is going to just give you free bitcoin to send.

Luke 5mo ago

Yes you pay to open a channel, it might be cheaper than running your own node, but still for a new person that has never held btc, they won’t do that and it might turn them away.

n0>1 5mo ago

Coinos.io

Judge Hardcase 5mo ago

Another really useful alternative is nostr:npub1s4m06xdlu6fuhfhs4m3nhpp8xdpsdprwccdktckkzusfu8qzzprqnfpz6a.

Every Nostr npub automatically has a corresponding npubxxxxxxxxxxxx@npub.cash lightning address. No setup required (you don't even need an email address). You just login to npub.cash with your Nostr ID, and whatever lightning payments (e.g. zaps) that were sent to you will be waiting there for you in the form of Cashu tokens.

It's trivial to copy/paste the Cashu tokens from npub.cash into a non-KYC wallet such as @cashu.me that will allow you to send your new cashu tokens via a NWC connection in your favorite Nostr app; or even directly via lightning.

PS. I believe @cashu.me even has an option to automatically retrieve your Cashu tokens from npub.cash for you (alleviating the step to manually copy/paste); but, I haven't personally taken the time to play with that function yet.