Our main problem has been that it's yet-another-server that we run and maintain and babysit, and update and adjust and pay for hosting and pay for channels and then we need it and it isn't working again because reasons...

We hardly have any money moving on the channels and then someone wants to send us a larger amount and it all melts down and then we have to scrounge together money to raise the inbound liquidity and it's like we hardly have any money and we had to spend it all to get a bit more.

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I'm constantly being forced to fall back on Minibits or Phoenix. And Phoenix fees are 🤪

Again, You don’t have to raise money for inbound liquidity. All you have to do is ask people to open channels with you, most plebs would gladly to help grow the network!

I don’t know why people’s first reaction is to think that the only way to get inbound liquidity is to buy it.

I don't know how to respond to the idea that banking services are too expensive to buy, so I have to go around begging my friends to help me get some and stay in their good graces, so that I can continue to transact.

This is a flawed system, sorry.

If you think this system is flawed, wait until Phoenix wallet disappears from the App Store in your jurisdiction. Sorry too

The ability to self host lightning does not absolve it's flaws. You can self host Ethereum too.

To be honest, this whole ordeal is making me think Alby Custodial is actually a really good deal.

Alby no longer has custodial. Alby hub is pretty awesome though to get NWC with your own node working pretty flawlessly and get a lightning address.

They have Alby cloud, which is custodial

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i would open a channel except i don't have a public one to make that worth something

gotta have a decent stack to do public routing, it can be a slight loss at times

The whole idea of having to have "channels" was such a bad mistake imo… having to have "liquidity" seems so stupid…

My issue with this 'yet-another-server' is that all of this stuff is new and doesn't have classic production qualities, or even have a version contract yet. Even OneDev is good, but I still staple the container version because sometimes he release incompatible minor or patch versions that are within contract. So you can't automate these things. This is why large companies have so much manual IT staff. I know so many people in this field now, literally manually installing certificates and even Windows updates from rdp. IT sux and nearly impossible to automate without risk of massive outages.

AlbyHub is still very experimental. I have no problem running an apg-get upgrade after a manual audit because nearly everything managed by Canonicle will usually be very stable, and the tools we might use from their prod repo will abide by production quality version contract. Meaning nearly no risk of massive downtime or corruption.

So basically every server we have to deploy is experimental, which means manual backups before and after, continuous babysitting for crashes, that can't be fixed and needs an issue to be created with the maintainers, manual version checking, package stapling, and monitoring.

For example on OneDev about 3 weeks ago he just dropped support for SQLServer which I rely on heavily. Had I just run a normal container upgrade it would have just stopped. Now my release path is blocked until I migrate away from SQLServer and stand up ANOTHER mariadb (assuming it' supports maria) and now have even more services running that I have to backup, prune and whatnot.

So much this.