I open a debate: Ban #TikTok, #X and #Meta changing their censorship, #Nostr innovating more and more every day... so why don't the content creators come ???
#ask #askstr #asknostr
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We have like 50 people who aren’t Nostr only, so we don’t have enough community outreach. We need a video first app that functions as well as TikTok. We must exceed expectations if we expect users to come here. We must make our voice heard ON THOSE PLATFORMS. How else could they find out about Nostr?
Exactly why I kept my accounts on those other platforms. Every month or so I post some new thing saying "nostr is better and here's why"
Even so, I don't think they will come, and if they did come, some of them probably wouldn't keep it... a question of economic incentives, more than anything, for them. On another point of view, for the most common users, it can be a huge incentive to be able to monetize from day 0 and without an imposed recommendation algorithm, they would make more of an effort to make better content and appear in your feed... in conclusion: I don't think content creators from other platforms will come, at least in a massive way... I think the way forward is for new content creators to emerge here... even if someone with reach mentions Nostr, it will always be of great help, even speaking badly
Well the most successful tiktokers were the live streamers. TikTok has micropayments integrated in their livestreams, in the form of “coins”. Different gifts cost different amounts ranging from $0.01 to $500.
I think Nostr is well positioned to replace TikTok because we already have micropayments integrated. Building an app that can mimic the TikTok livestreams would be as simple as integrating zaps and having gifts be different zap amounts.
People on TikTok were making upwards of $1000 a day streaming, with under 100k followers usually. TikTok live streaming is the perfect demonstration that V4V and micropayments work. We just need a larger user base to enable similar incomes. TikTok was taking 50% of their earnings.
It's difficult to start from scratch without algorithms but I agree with you and I think it can tempt more than one person who has a certain commitment to free speech
They can also keep their accounts on other networks and keep the earnings from both
I honestly don’t think building an algorithm would be that hard, it’s just resource intensive
You don't need them, there are more methods... I'm not asking that they be removed but that you use more alternatives... even building your own feed and being able to share it with others or in your profile or lists in your profile of users that you recommend
Well, the tiktokers like algorithms. The simplicity of a single page that can instantly respond when you find a new interest, for example you go down a rabbit hole about sourdough bread and it starts showing you that content.
This kind of an algorithm is undeniably better for discovery compared to custom feeds.
An algorithm like this needs to run on a centralized server. You need to analyze all content with AI to label things thoroughly so that you can properly recommend relevant content.
And as much as nostriches hate this, a mainstream app needs to have censorship. It should be voluntary, but a mainstream app should hide pornography, gore, death threats, encouraging self harm, etc.
If I could build my dream TikTok clone right now, I would build a client using a caching server like primal, and use the caching server to consolidate content from popular relays to label the content using AI. I would have it create user interest profiles based on each npub’s interactions, with heavier weighting for recent interests. Every time the user refreshes the home page, the server would generate a list of events that match the users interests, showing them content they haven’t viewed, and serve that list of events to the client.
It would have 3 levels of censorship:
1. Default: no porn, or death/gore
2. Strict: same as default + slurs and “hate speech” hidden
3. Disabled: Nostr experience, fully uncensored (CSAM would not be relayed by the caching server)
It would have the ability to connect to any relay. Relays that aren’t already read by the caching server would be connected to directly, but they would not be visible in the algorithmic feed, only in the chronological feed.
In the case of a caching server outage, the client would read directly from relays, without the AI labeled algorithm. Maybe a lightweight algorithm could run locally in the client in the case of a caching server outage.
I can barely code a webpage at this point so I really don’t know what I’m talking about 🤣
Sheep will go to whats familiar, not something new.
That's why I've been saying we've needed a MySpace comeback, but it's nostr this time.
Been ignored for months on it and I'm already seeing posts on FB about missing myspace, just like they will now be missing tiktok.
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Bluesky exploits this regarding twitter
Why can't we with MySpace? Millions already know about myspace...🤷
Oh, sure... we can do it with any old app, I was just referring to the fact that a large part of Bluesky's success is this: they pulled from nostalgia, the interface is very similar to Twitter, moderation is similar to a certain extent, even their icon has the same color pattern as Twitter, etc
I have an opinion that the Nostr ecosystem still does not have an adequate recommendation algorithm. Everything is based on posts from large accounts, hashtags do not work due to bots and spam, interest in third-party topics has decreased, shitposting is huge, chaos in general. These are consequences of decentralization, novelty and whole vibe, but they prevent contentmakers and ordinary users from being attracted here. This should be corrected over time, but there is also a risk that then nostr will turn into what we are moving away from. Time will tell.
Bluesky has starter packs… basically lists of users recommended by any user… one more note in the profile and that's it: you have recommendations without an imposed algorithm… oh, they can also be seen as a link so you can create an account by following those on the list, you can also include feeds to recommend
This is such a cool feature
It's underrated, it is simple, inexpensive and the users themselves are the ones who recommend it… nothing better in my opinion
The basis for such solutions already exists. nostr:npub1yzvxlwp7wawed5vgefwfmugvumtp8c8t0etk3g8sky4n0ndvyxesnxrf8q allows you to make smart widgets. nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg has customizable and savable feeds (I hope they'll do it shareable). And in any client you can make a post with links that everyone can share. But first, it needs to be done, secondly, this requires verification because it opens another gate for spam. And thirdly, for the average modern user it still looks like a crutch in the absence of a recommendation system.
Unfortunately, we will need centralized Clients perhaps that curate to the more average person while still allowing us free nostr users, to use our side of the platform without issue.
And hopefully, let people come over to the other side of the fence.
They legitimately do not know about it. Every time you engage with a content creator, mention that you *would have* tipped them if they were on nostr. This thing is gonna blow up when content creators realize they can make money here. The psychology of leaving a 10c tip is completely different from a $5 patreon subscription and once content creators start to feel that, nostr will take off.
They will have even more competition than before, since everyone will be able to monetize, not to mention that some npubs are already well established here and it makes it more difficult for these new ones to grow… I think they will come at some point for this reason, but most of them will not remain active here… starting from 0 is not generally liked by them either
Good points. They started from zero on all their other platforms. And this platform makes it easier to start from zero than the others, so we will breed the next batch of creators.
I think that many more of those who migrate will emerge from here… and they will create better content
It all just network effect. Until mainstream social media platforms blow up in some way that makes users angry or engulfed in fear they will stay dominant and nostr will be just a niche.
On top of that people really have no idea nostr even exists and the ones that do get really easily scared and confused with private/public key concept. All they want is simple way of logging with email and password they can remember
The big accounts on nostr are so retarded they recommend going "nostr only" instead of converting people from other platforms... as if X is just gonna start advertising nostr for free to help us move faster if they see us all moving