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Would you prefer the word "controversy?" Does that clarify the concept I'm referring to?

No, it's the same.

I've read the claims that aluminum contained in vaccines causes a bunch of problem in multiple places myself before, but now you're saying that it is not true that vaccines contain these things? Or are you saying no one ever talks about these things? The second is definitely true since many people are talking about it.

But for all the thing that anti-vaccine people claim I'm yet to see an answer from the pro-vaccine side, all I see are blank dismissals like yours. That's why I'm asking for the debate. I don't see a debate, I can't find this debate anywhere.

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mattybs 2y ago

I wasn't sure you were being intellectually honest. Guy has proposed vaccine debate. That's what I'm referring to.

Elemental aluminum doesn't exist in vaccines -- aluminum and aluminum salts are not identical. Also vaccines aren't injected into the bloodstream, while Guy was claiming it was important to measure the effect of these compounds being injected directly into the bloodstream -- which isn't relevant to the vaccine conversation.

bitbuybyte 2y ago

If a needle goes into your arm, you are injected with liquid, and you bleed after,(Basically everyone) the vaccine will be carried in the bloodstream.

Guy said ‘aluminum,’ not ‘elemental aluminum.’ It seems like you are just adding words and not being intellectually honest while deflecting.

What’s your angle on this, and you have no right to decide whose “lane” is whose. (Especially on a public social media platform)

It reminds me of those authoritarians in the COVID days trying to shut down discussion. Basically they all lied and most discussing ‘outside their lane’ were right.

mattybs 2y ago

There is a significant difference between injecting something into muscle and injecting it directly to your bloodstream. I called that out because it was a specific claim in Guy's post.

And regarding COVID, who "outside their lane" was proven right?

Zach⚡️ 2y ago

Almost everyone. I had a coworker who is a line cook who was 100% right about the vaccine ineffectiveness and the economic fallout from COVID. The only people who were consistently wrong, over and over again, were the supposed experts and the people blindly following their orders.

Sourcenode 2y ago

These types of conversations are the reason I am on nostr. It can't happen anywhere else.

Guy's post may have been missing some specificity, but the broad claims in that post still stand as far as this conversation goes.

Matt's responses have been semantic and primarily oriented around dismissing information which I understand to be mostly true.

If something in Guy's post needs to be clarified I imagine he will benefit from the increased accuracy of information as he continue to research this topic 🙂

bitbuybyte 2y ago

My brother in Christ! Everyone who pushed back against mainstream narrative largely pushed by the WHO and government health officials, with help from many governors and the media to propagate the message. Basically almost anyone who said the opposite of what the media was saying during that time period largely came out being correct.

The propaganda machines was

wrong about no human to human transmission

-they were wrong that the virus wasn’t developed in a lab

-they were wrong that it came from bats

-they were wrong about the vaccine’s efficacy (99%, 95%, <50%, 20%, and it kept dropping and they kept moving the goalposts and pushing boosters with more draconian measures)

-they were wrong about the vaccines safety

-they were wrong to push services members out who refused the vaccine and are begging them to come back now (picture attached)

-they lied that the vaccinated didn’t transmit the virus or transmitted it less so than the unvaccinated

-they lied about masks and their effectiveness at stopping transmission

This is just off the top of my head. Some you could still argue based on semantics, but largely everything above is indisputable.

People who pushed back against this were lambasted, fired, shoved into a corner, dehumanized, censored, and everything in between. NOSTR exists probably largely BECAUSE of the events between 2020-2022.

bitbuybyte 2y ago

Guy Swann 2y ago

Even more dishonestly, I hear those trying to shut down the argument completely lying about what the data is increasingly showing. They claim that “anti vaxxers” are saying no vaccines work. Which isn’t the argument if they actually listen. It’s that the very thing that *makes them work* for the what they are made for, is exactly what causes so many other immunological problems and neurological side effects.

The big exception seems to be Covid, which doesn’t seem to work for fucking anything but causing myocarditis and other serious issues. Even the very organizations pushing it now admit that it only helps for like a few months, which is just absurd to call it anything, especially not a “vaccine.” It’s basically less than useless.

nobody 2y ago

get a vaccine AND use aluminum in deodorant!

Mike Dilger ☑️ 2y ago

Use magnesium in deoderant. Best product switch I ever made. Total and complete lack of any armpit smell since I started using magnesium-based deoderant. Apparently the microorganism that turns sweat into smell cannot tolerate magnesium. I'm not sure about bitcoin or nostr, but I'm sure about using magnesium-based deoderants (at least when it comes to effectiveness).

RealJohnDoe 2y ago

Exactly!..👏👍🤔