He's right, you know.

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fuck whoever does that. one's privacy is a sacred thing

My brother shared my proton email account with family after I'd spent weeks cleaning up my online footprint. I feel the pain.

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So if I take a photo and I capture a crowd, I now have to go ask permission from all 10000 of them?

No.

It would be one thing if it were a handful of people. I can get that. But I'm not spending my whole trip walking around asking people for permission out in public.

you're out in public, you assume some risk that you might get tagged. Sorry, it sucks. But that's how it is.

Also I don't use any 3rd party to store my photos, and I use a camera. So maybe this issue does not apply.

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"We cannot expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant us privacy out of their beneficence. It is to their advantage to speak of us, and we should expect that they will speak. To try to prevent their speech is to fight against the realities of information."

How does this apply in this context?

"but the state hasn't threatened me with a cage so it must be ok"

HiRes 📸 everyphone + AI + Facial Recog. technology -- just one good clear pic is enough to search any big-brother DB now-a-days -that's the reality fact.

yup Respect comes from Giving other Respect

doesn't matter what law/G does or says

Agree 💯 & it’s actually quite fun to try not get anyone in a shot

Tout à fait calle, cependant peu de gens se soucient de la protection de leur propre identité on a beau les sensibiliser, les informer, voire faire de la prévention sur les risques, je pense le fait d'avoir expérimenté les outils de meta , n'a hélas exacerbé des comportements sous silence qui ne révèlent que des maux liés à des troubles de personnalité similaires au narcissique...les émissions de téléréalité aussi ont également leur part de méfaits sur certaines populations..bon dimanche 🙏🕊️🗽

Is it moral if I share a torrent of a movie that somebody else already copied from internet?

Next time when you appear in public please put a disclaimer with MIT license or creative commons so others can share your post.

Please can you make all internet data open source and MIT license so we can share it?

You DO have to accept it otherwise you're just going to keep complaining. If you don't want the average person, who doesn't think about these things, to not take a picture of you or anyone else and post them for all to see, then YOU need to be proactive about your anonymity. You have no right to tell others what to do, so quit crying about it.

Photography & surveillance are not the same. You can argue that point if you want but it's a dumb argument. A photojournalist covering a public event or some small news story has no obligation to ask you for permission to print/ publish a photo that includes you. The fact you've put an appearance in public makes you part of the public domain. Now surveillance is very differrent & that's where your comment "nobody cares about what's legal" makes no sense because people do care & there are laws that seperate photograohy from surveillance. If you want privacy in public you will have to make efforts to make yourrself unrecognizable, it's on you to stay private in public places, we don't have to ask your permission.

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bUt ThEy DiDn'T eXpLiCiTlY tOlD Me nOt To dO So sO wHy sHoUlD i CaRe?? ThEy WiLl LeArn iT ThE hArD WaY!!!!!1!!11

I think taking pics with other people's faces without consent is just rude at the most basic level

I think it's good that you're addressing the topic so openly. Everyone should decide for themselves what they share and how they share it in public.

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While I agree with you in principle, this isn't practical with the stupidity of the general public. Juggalo makeup will break facial recognition, so maybe just wear that.

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This is why I put emojis on peoples faces unless they tell me I don't have to. And I use immich for backup.

It’s pretty clear that the people arguing with Calle on this point are just demonstrating they don’t have a clue what “cypherpunk manners” are.

People who take pics of my kids have a high chance of getting their phone spiked into the concrete. sorry grandma.

The right to selectively reveal yourself.

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courage to change the things I can

serenity to accept the things that I cannot change

wisdom to know the difference

Super agree. The choices cannot only be a fully hermit life that’s private but you can never leave your home or the instant you set one foot outside everything about you must be known to all. I refuse to accept that. If we accept that we will never become a broad movement and we will never win. Bitcoiners are real people with families and lives and passions outside the home. We must find a better way.

These are also protest manners (and last I heard, bitcoin is a protest)

Respectfully — it would seem you want be both anonymous and famous.

It's not impossible, but these ends are antithetical.

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How bout a sketch?

Maybe wearing a T-shirt with a QR code that immediately flags the camera (smart phone or similar) could be a way to counter this.

Basically a QR code that blocks the person with a smart camera or it could let's them take a pic for a fee or something.

Also could a shirt bedazzled with shiny infrared things potentially interfere with any camera similar to lasers? Idk.

reasonable ask, imo. people are so willy nilly in public in general of taking photos of people without consent...its bullshit

I can understand that ... but only to a degree.

Allow me to share my point of view. I am visually impaired, so I can never, and will never, be able to see if people near me are taking photos. In fact, I have accidentially photobombed legitimate PR shoots by just blindly and blisfully unaware walking straight through the shot xD.

If I sit in a car and we drive by a speedometer, can I be sure it isn't taking a picture of me? When I sit in a train and people outside on the platform take a group photo, I might be in that by sheer chance. While I am at a booth at an anime or game convention, someone might be taking press photos - and I would be non the wiser it happened. Either because I literally didn't see it, or because it was taken in stealth on purpose, for some reason.

If you are in public, and I really do mean public, unless you scan your environment like every second, you will never know who or what is or is not taking a photo of you - and unless you become paranoid in a certain way and ask everyone around you to lower their phones, you simply can't cover every circumstance.

Yes, it definitively sucks to have your picture taken without consent - lawfully or not. Yes, it is good ettiquete to not do that, not just in protests, but in general - but not everyone always thinks of this in a perfect fashion; humans aren't perfect after all :).

In these times, where surveiliance becomes more and more of a norm, masking your face is actually the best thing you can do. Doesn't matter if it's a stereotypical Guy Fawkes mask or one of those thin silicone masks to alter your facial features - it will become more important over the years. So if you don't want your picture taken in public, then make it harder to do so. Because you can never truely and fully rule it out. Maybe someone is wearing a prototype gadget as a pin on their suit that happens to have a camera and you never identified it as such? Just saying.

Now, while I understand the desire to stay "anonymous" and not feed "DA BIG CORPOS" with more data... I also have to say: Damnit, grow a pair. Has your state not already forwarded tons of ID photos to them one way or another? Have they not bought data from these firms at some point? I am 100% certain that my face is in multiple databases - not because I am particularily careless (I had posted many photos of myself when I was younger, so that opsec-ship sailed looooong ago xD) but because data exchange between corps and govts is a given now; even slow and sloppy Germany, I am quite sure.

It sucks, it really does. But what are you going to do about it? Punch in every camera and destroy each phone that possibly has caught a glimpse of your face - both from regular people and state owned cams? I mean, you could - it's an option... but - should you?

“If you don't care about it, it simply means that you don't care about the privacy of others.”

Wrong. I respect the privacy of others, I also believe you’re a clown if you think that every other human being on the planet agrees. If they did, we wouldn’t need curtains because voluntarily no-one would look inside anyone else’s windows.

You are trying to impose your views on other people which is antithetical to the values you’re espousing. No-one else is under any obligation to you, it’s not their job to protect your identity.

And this has nothing to do with “rejecting surveillance” - people choosing to go to a conference are not being “surveilled” by other people at the conference taking photos, that’s a stupid conflation on your part.

I see nothing in your post about the hotel/conference CCTV, the biometrics taken at the airport (face scans, fingerprints, gait measures etc) upon arrival, the actual real world surveillance we are all subjected to in public on a day-to-day basis which are things you could rightfully be upset about.

Railing against people who paid to attend the same conference as you is silly.

run your own conference and make your own rules

wear a mask if you don't like it

the hollering and screeching is off-putting

to change people's view on this requires constructive engagement, with no guarantee

I'm open to having someone show me why this is useful to me, but I won't listen to tantrums

Yep, plus, just because someone's privacy CAN be compromised because they show their face outside, doesn't mean its fine for someone to actually do it.

Its like saying "someone else would have stolen that money anyway", its still wrong.

Hughes, Eric (1993)

“A Cypherpunk's Manifesto”

“Privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age. Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn't want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something one doesn't want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to selectively reveal oneself to the world.”

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/cypherpunk-manifesto

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