Here we go
Discussion
Nothing like a government endoscopy to make the medicine go up.
"If you have nothing to hide, why does your privacy matter??🥴" /s
That escalated quickly
nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll wen something other than telegram?
They already have a matrix room
Yuck
The Road to Serfdom
Too big & too late to quit. I'm glad for Jack managing to get out of this.
Too big & too late to quit. I'm glad for Jack managing to get out of this.
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Exactly why I use Signal instead. Governments have tried to get data but literally can't hand anything over because anything crucial is encrypted.
isn't signal developed by Meta?
No, that's Whatsapp, which uses a very similar protocol.
I believe WhatsApp straight up uses the Signal Protocol but I could be thinking of something else.
WhatsApp is Meta. Signal is developed by an independent nonprofit. There are also Session and SimpleX for anonymous chat options. Matrix is also pretty solid for large, decentralized communities but it's not nearly as protected as those other options so I just use it as a private Discord/Slack alternative.
Is there a "best" one you'd recommend? I'm considering leaving telegram after this news but I'd rather just go for the best option and not overthink it
The safest bet is to go for Signal. It's highly audited and proven true by their warrant canary. it has post-quantum encryption and a baseline encryption standard that is, quite genuinely, THE gold standard of encrypted messaging. It encrypts almost all metadata and attempts to mitigate privacy on areas where it can't encrypt/remove metadata, such as their sealed sender feature (which makes it so any observers of the network can't know who a message was sent from, only where it's sent to).
On top of that, it also has a great feature set. Most of the better messaging apps like Session or SimpleX might be good for anonymity, but they both lack many of the features people like in modern messaging apps. Signal has a lot of customization options and even has a Snapchat-like stories feature for people that care about that.
So yeah, at the end of the day, Signal would be my recommendation for people fleeing Telegram. It's generally best as a one-to-one messenger for people in your contacts list but it can also be used for group chats. If you absolutely need large-scale communities like Telegram groups, you might also check out Matrix through the Element client, but it's not nearly as feature-rich and only the messages themselves are encrypted; all metadata remains unencrypted. Signal is the best balance of security and features.
Damn, that was far more detailed than I expected and I greatly appreciate it! Signal it is
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Correction, Durov faces prosecution for crimes other people committed.
Nostr solves this by not requiring governments to ask anyone! 😀
What being detained by the US govt does to a MF.
Shocked.
Any one of us would do the same. At least he's saying so and people have a choice to use something else.
Isn’t that the same level of data Signal provides to LEO requests?
Signal does not have access to messages as they are end-to-end encrypted. Signal servers could access metadata (who's talking to who and when) but historically they have a good track record: https://signal.org/bigbrother
my point was that they both provide IP and phone number to LEO requests but from a trust model Telegram is worse because they can access the messages but Signal cant.
of course WHAT is being shared may be less important than what they are capable of sharing.
Everyone should assume that a trusted third-party when threatened with or actually put in jail will divulge all the data they have on you
RIP
Well the governments got what they wanted.
Deleted that app, and I'll never bother with it again.
The Reality.
Before Money, Barter was the exchange of things but was rated in Human Empathy.
Money removed that Human Empathy part of the exchange, because it was not perfect Information that recorded exactly the Human Empathy part of exchange.
That was Commodity Money. Since the 1970's Fiat Currency money became globally used, that further removed that Human Empathy exchange.
People game system's, so that opened Pandora's Box, you can have everything at no cost. If you can game the system with no cost, you have the perfect environment for fast breeding Psychopaths to win. Empathy holds others back.
Politicians from Vanity to Psychopaths can promise everything and deliver nothing. Psychopathic lawyers become heads of Government's, Councils, Mayor's and big Institutions and Non-Government Organisations etc et cetera.
The nett result of the loss of exchanging Pure Human Empathy is living life backward to those who cherish the exchange of Human Empathy.
As such, Gender Attacked, Family Attacked, Childhood Attacked, Religion Attacked, Property Attacked, Opinion Attacked, Home Attacked, Privacy Attacked, Health Attacked, Nature Attacked, Survival Attacked, Climate Attacked etc et cetera.
Bitcoin goes right back to what I said at the start and further, it's the exchange of Pure Human Empathy before people even thought to write about how a God could do this better.
If you don't think that chasing Fiat Currency is the Religion of living backwards, then my friends, your minds have gone.
We THE PEOPLE OF BITCOIN AND PURE HUMAN EMPATHY SAY NO!
If pressure can be exerted, it will be exerted
You can ignore it, but that doesn't make it go away
Build your resilience in all facets of life 🧡
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Otherwise, I would have been suprised.
More data = All data
wait, pavel durov and centralized, corporate software are not going to be our savior?? Color me shocked. Decentralize everything.
Telegram has always been a horrible app for privacy.
game over
Being put in detention has a way to change people’s mind.
And still all local German #Bitcoin communities are Telegram groups and almost no one is interested in changing it.
We will see. It often happens in batches with the network effect. I remember when nobody in Germany wanted to use Telegram, when I thought it was still the better alternative to other platforms ...
Which #Messenger is really secure?
Check it for yourself:
Visit
https://www.securemessagingapps.com
Rate:
🟩=3 🟨=1 🟥=0
Results (and where the money comes from)
1. Threema = 83 = most secure Messenger (User pays one-time + BTC possible)
2. SimpleX Chat *= 79
3. Signal (OTF / Brian Acton / Ex-WhatsApp) = 77
4. Session (Loki Coin & suspicious Chinese) = 77
5. Wire (Janus Fries / Ex-Skype) = 68
6. Wickr (Amazon) = 61
7. Element / Matrix (Amdocs / Morris Kahn) = 56
8. Apple iMessage (Hardware sales) = 37
9. WhatsApp (Meta) = 32
10. Google Messages (Ads) = 28
11. Telegram (Putin) = 27
12. Facebook Messenger (Meta) = 26
13. Microsoft Skype =10
* SimpleX Chat got 380.000 $ from VillageGlobal.vc = Jez Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, ect. Plus Jack Dorsey and other Venture Capital Companys!
OFT = OpenTechnologyFund = US-Goverment
If you want to buy Threema, you can buy a license from me and pay with Bitcoin Lightning!
Where's Keet?
What a run he had though, huh?
SimpleX or keet, here we all come.
Durov, a single point of failure.
good thing I never really used that app
It's a shame. I mean telegram never was the most private messenger, but it was alright, and beside that, it had a large user base and a lot of cool features. Also with its channels, was a good social media too.
How can I replace it with simple x or session when others won't use them?
It's a big loss.
I don’t blame him, most people would break way way sooner.