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where does one even seek for one

ebay, and also refurb Mac machine websites. Not sure which of these provide service in Europe.

nostr:npub1pfezegswrn8lpt0aerp2hvyhj4lsuzln9kcccs5p7qch2m2sawxsxcelvf might have more suggestions.

would love some refurb lenovos

I’ve been looking on NewEgg. That’s where I’ve gotten my last two ThinkPads.

Note: before 2020 (T4xx series like T480) the RAM was socketed and thus upgradable. Starting in 2020, the T- series (T14 etc.) switched to soldered RAM, meaning it’s not upgradable.

what kind of price ranges are we talking?

The pre-2020 models are $150-$300.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834840599

ser, you're giving me ideas

duuude, this'd be perfect. exactly what i need.

they don't unfortunately ship to where i live tho 😟

I’m shopping U.S. You can change the locale in the menu and shop where it’ll ship to you.

my country is not listed there :)

A year ago, I bought a 2019 T480 very similar to this, sans touchscreen. (don’t confuse it with the T480s, which has an integrated battery). Sourced from eBay and was really well looked for Β£250 ($330). Absolutely great laptop. Dual batteries (One internal, one external, both replaceable and original - still hold charge well). USB-C enabled too, and came with original power brick. Very easy to take apart and service/upgrade. With Linux, it’s as capable as my 16in MacBook Pro M2, but currently running it as a node with Start9 (think I might get another to actually use as a Linux laptop).

was looking at the newegg product page and didn't see any information regarding the batteries and the capacity of them

my current lenovo barely manages 2 hours of screentime, so anything in that regard would already be an upgrade πŸ˜‚

You can probably get a replacement battery?

will have to look yeah, especially if it makes sense financially

I get about 4 hours with the dual batteries (but they are old). I keep it plugged in though, but battery life will always be the main compromise with these older laptops.

You know how big the advantage of soldered is when there is any?

In switzerland Digitec directly offers refurbed everything. I think even with full warranty

it being switzerland, i'm skeptical about the prices

Ask people locally. Find your local or European version of ebay, newegg, and mac refurbished machine websites.

Visit your local electronics store and ask.

In electronics Switzerland has been cheaper for a long time. I do not know if this is still true.