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I wonder if it'll allow me to see why any Bitcoiners still support that company.
Maybe because bitcoiners don’t fit one handy stereotype one may have in mind?
I think there is a difference between a Bitcoiner and someone who owns Bitcoin. I can totally understand why fiat chasing Bitcoin owners wouldn't give a fuck about Apple shitting on Bitcoin and people fighting for freedom.
What I don't understand (and I'm not saying either of you two fit this description) are the Bitcoiners (the distinction being that they hold Bitcoin as freedom tech - I have no issue with wanting to also get wealthier by being early) give money to a company that has proven that it doesn't support them or their value of freedom (which they believe Bitcoin will help achieve).
If you fit my description of a Bitcoiner and buy Apple products then you're just a larper. There are alternatives that better support freedom and some people are choosing to contradict values they claim to have.
That's my main point here. I see it a lot and find it odd that people proclaim how much they love freedom and FOSS Bitcoin while using the exact opposite in all their other tech, especially when better (even if not perfect) alternatives exist.
My issue is with using their software ecosystem more than the hardware, but they intentionally wire the two together pretty tightly, making it a lot more difficult to use freedom software than alternatives. Ethical hardware is being built but it's still less common/available than open software. I don't think perfect is yet possible, but Apple is as bad as it gets on this issue.
Because I love the hardware
I love freedom more than hardware. Maybe that's why I can't understand it.
They screwed over Chinese protestors, they bowed to China by removing Nostr apps from their centralized store, all of their products are closed. They give the finger to Bitcoiners and freedom fighters almost every chance they get.
It's quite a puzzle for me. But yeah, enjoy that hardware I guess.
It‘s a company that wants to make money! What do you think they will do?
You have the choice between boycott Chinese laws and get banned (huge money loss) or they they bow and make money!
Have a look in the EU they also bowed and now we have USB-C iPhones and a side loading at least in the EU.
if you support nostr then you should not support woke apple. pretty simple.
No, it’s not that simple!
I love privacy technology but if we are honest most of it isn’t user friendly and this is a huge problem.
Personally I like thinks in my life that I take out of the box and they just work. I don’t buy me and Pixel Phone. Install GraphenOS and then search a new app of every use case.
Not to mention that many apps simply not work properly without Google services like banking apps and so on.
Oh and the biggest point for me is that there is no open source apple watch alternative and no good alternative for fitness+ or tv+ which use heavily.
Not to mention that I like the integration between my iPhone, iPad and MacBook.
So no, I will not stop using apple products just because some privacy focused bitcoiners don’t like apple.
Will flop
V2 will be amazingly better
V3 will be spot on
I doubt it’s going to flop, but gets improved a lot later
Will be interesting to see if the product line becomes the new iPhone or the new Lisa