Trademarks are a fuck if you do, fuck if you don't type of law.

Was not an easy decision, but had to be made. I own it.

If you don't defend it, you lose it.

And If someone made an evil version of our products we would have less recourse.

Running your sales site of your knock off out of the same repository as your codebase is retarded. Trademark has nothing to do with the code.

Things are never as simple as the cancel ppl try to make it be.

The drama seems to always originate from the same sources...

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Cool story bro, fuck off.

🫂

What is this emoji? I always assumed it was a movie camera but how does that make sense in this context?

It's two people hugging.

Thanks. Would never have guessed that in a million years.

You have to stare at it like those stereogram pictures at the mall.

Ha. Haven’t seen one of those for years. What a weird craze that was.

I was one of the few people who was able to see the sailboat within just a few seconds. I could even see it as I was walking past. Lol

My mental image of you now is someone who is permanently cross eyed 😂

The trick is to blur your eyes and stare into the picture. Almost like you're looking through it.

Such anger

lol telling nostr:npub1az9xj85cmxv8e9j9y80lvqp97crsqdu2fpu3srwthd99qfu9qsgstam8y8 to fuck off is beta. You can hate on the guy all you want but you have to recognize him for what he is - the de-facto standard for secure hardware design. Also the block clock is dope but idk if you own one otherwise you'd know that.

Hardware wallets are a scam, and will never be as secure as nostr:nprofile1qqs09jtvjlmyrxjn37zv70a89csegcz7rpyqjmnw29cveedhv7vagqqpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejs92xe5k or a #grapheneOS device. But go ahead, keep on wasting your sats on them bro, keep on funding and supporting for-profit company's who bully open source developers, NVK thanks you.

Lol

I had to do it too. Not a trademark but a patent.

The process is exhausting when you do it yourself without a lawyer. I definitely felt like I had to defend my design. Got it done tho. I own my creation as well and it was worth it once the process was finalized with a patent number. 🤙🏼

intellectual property is a legal fiction

Someone called the based department because this guy is getting a promotion 🏅

That’s a fair take. Fiction or not, the challenge was the was the real reward.

Yeah I get that.

there are other challenges.

I like all the work you do, but I've only heard context about this through the rumor mill. Was someone selling a "blockclock" and essentially taking the name you've built? I find it hard to believe you have a problem with an open-source build of the idea of a blockclock.

Can you provide some more context?

The block clock sucks. Not a single smart person would pay for such an item. You made some money selling stupid shit to idiots(we all do this) so take the win and let it go. Bat now you'll be remembered as a douche, which you are... So I guess it works out actually... Nevermind

I thought it was cool until I saw the price. Then, I didn't think is was cool.

I don't think you've adequately weighed the long-term consequences of your decision. You're tanking your entire brand for the sake stopping someone who made a less expensive version of the same concept. I think you will come to regret this decision in the years to come, as you have effectively alienated the very people your success relys on.

the way you are supposed to compete is making a better product and/or a cheaper one. A clone cant damage your sells if its a bad clone. A good clone, better than the original, would.

You have based the success of your company selling hws to a niche that understand the quality and the value of products, noone will benefit by your bad fiat move, noone needed this paternalistic intervention except you. The same people that appreciated and respected coinkite are the same that could loose their respect after a move like that, you know, bitcoiners love free markets and fair competition.

still got my support. Great products

Please fix the wifi (wpa2/3 support) as I upgraded security and now my Blockclock mini doesn’t work anymore whilst my BTClock does 👀

That's hardware limitation, waiting on new module form expressif

Would you be willing, for the good of the project, to step down from OpenSats Board?

I’m out of the loop here. What’s the 🍵?

From a long time Coinkite supporter and BlockClock owner. You are acting like you have nothing to do with the open source community and not actively benefiting from it. Why did you not contact him first to change the name? How can you do this and not step down from nostr:nprofile1qqs8suecw4luyht9ekff89x4uacneapk8r5dyk0gmn6uwwurf6u9ruspzpmhxue69uhkumewwd68ytnrwghszxthwden5te0wfjkccte9eekummjwsh8xmmrd9skctcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhs2juazd board?

But the simple thing here is this. Trademarks and all other form of IP are an indefensible postion. When someone creates a thing of a new paradigm the first mover is the one everyone learns of first. So inherently that name whatever it may be is by necessity what people will call it. Kleenx & coke are some great examples. Everyone refers to these trademarks AS THE THING all the time when referring to the thing. Using the state to forcibly make others not use a similar name is just retarded and makes you look weak.

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No clue what this is about but team NVK all the way.

I WAS DONE WITH COINKITE AFTER THEY TOOK PREORDERS ON A PRODUCT THEY FAILED TO DELIVER & THEN KEPT EVERYONE'S FUCKING BTC DEPOSITS AND INSTEAD REFUNDED PPL BACK W/ THE SHITCOIN THAT IS STORE CREDIT. FUCK NVK THAT CHEAP FUCK

Sounds awful, indeed.

NOTICE IT'S 🦗🦗🦗 FROM THE BUSINESS OWNER BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE PRACTICES ARE SHIT

Shit. Guess I am a former customer of Coinkite

Imagine two people building a computer! Learn from the past.

Stop feeding lawyers.

Must we fight each other at this stage already?

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I’m still going to recommend Coldcard to new Bitcoiners. And I’m still going to sue my Coldcard.

Streisand effect

Imo defending the name "Blockclock" goes against the ethos of decentralization and openness that Bitcoin and Nostr embody. Satoshi never trademarked Bitcoin, and Fiatjaf left Nostr open for all. Their choice inspired trust, innovation, and growth to me.

Instead of claiming ownership, let’s embrace the spirit of abundance. Share ideas, not restrictions. Build together, not behind walls. That’s how we move forward.

Bitcoin didn’t succeed by limiting use. Neither will we. Let’s free opensource everything and create a world where ideas thrive freely 🙏🤗

#Nostr #Bitcoin #OpenSource #foss #OpenSourceEverything

Imagine Satoshi going after every altcoin created.

Half the stuff you use everyday are knockoffs of another product.

I would feel flattered if people copied my idea or product, especially in a an environment that embraces openness.

Could have at least contacted the person just to see if you could cooperate towards a new product. Or copy whatever they are doing better to improve your own product.

That hat is made by ppl with a trade mark on their brand too.

Does the design of the btc lock use the exact same code and circuit design as yours?

what matters and only matters here, is did they copy the logo

everything else is irrelevant

Yet we all get pissed with all the Bitcoin knockoffs.. Bch etc etc

This is not the way. Your reputation is and was far more important than this petty squabble, and it is being tarnished by this action.

You will regret attacking the ethos of the community who supported you.

Sorry, not sorry. I’m grateful to NVK and Coinkite for providing solid products and not skimping on security. All these attacks on NVK just seem like an attempt to smear and create division. I will continue to buy Coinkite products and recommend them to others.

Same. Any issues need sorting obviously but consistently strong products

Amen

The knock-off block clock is a joke because it's just a shitty copy with effectively no innovation.

... now my PlebClock is technically superior in every way but that's another topic. Also, remember when you said you wouldn't sue me? 😅 thx

Agreed. The bro is doing something rather than nothing. Makes a signing device which I choose to buy because it gets a job done. Yes, there's others, and it's good to have choice. I didn't have to buy a coldcard but I did. When I need a new signing device I'll go to market and see what's available.

Cope harder.

Never apologize to commies

Sorry mate, but with this move nobody is winning. It doesn’t the ethos we all support.

*Doesn’t fit

Can someone explain what could Coinkite have lost by doin nothing and just keeping building better products , or shaming the competition with memes for their cheap copies and a of the blockclock and their lack of morality ?

what exactly is the trademark though

the simple word "blockclock" cannot be trademarked neither can "coca-cola" or "microsoft" and for which reason the actual trademark is their distinctive way of writing that thing

if they ripped off the actual logotype then ok, but if they just ripped off "blockclock" then sorry, you are wrong

also, i see no problem with you pulling their website from your own domain, that's also completely fair play

Did you defend it? Or did you summonl a bunch of professional extortionists goons with guns to defend it on your behalf?

This case could be solve without any Government intervention.

This reminds me of the low transfer limits at nostr:npub1cashappn03s3cl2ljsdntv0v28e2um5lgx4vjctqjt23pcwzjhsqmtdg5l — against the ethos of Bitcoin