i started using the Fediverse before it was called the Fediverse. back before Mastodon even existed, when there was just identica and diaspora.

i watched it go from a tiny place for fringe linux nerds, hackers, and artists, to a place for disgruintled corporate journalists and WokeScolds with 15 million daily users.

steady growth was minimal. The major growth happened from mass influxes. Usually from a negative facebook or twitter event, or some famous person talking about the fediverse.

Then 90% of those new people would drop off, and go back to the corporate BS, leaving behind a small increase. Those cycles happened over and over again until there were 10+ million daily users.

I see something very similar happening to nostr. It is very familiar and natural. But it seems like some people have a Silicon Valley VC funded growth from 2012 paradigm of what success it. Nostr is probably not going to happen like that. They dont have a realistic paradigm of how open source, community developed protocols grow over time.

So they keep getting disappointed because their paradigm is unrealistic, and the hype growth they keep telling themselves will happen is really probably not going to. Or to put it another way, 'go fast and break things' is a luxury mentality afforded by VC capital. Go slow and fix things is how real, lasting, open protocols that are worth something develop.

What will happen with people is pretty simple.

Some will leave quietly, some will leave loudly, making sure to dump their disappointment on everyone before they go. But some will just keep rolling, noting, memeing, and building, a peice at a time, until something really unique, robust, and reliable has formed.

stay humble, stack sats, post notes.

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I remember identica 🥹

there it is

My daily post stats blow my previous ones out of the water. I'm doing my part 🫡

Completely agree, this was never going to be anything other than a long, slow, enjoyable grind

thats why i secretly think you and nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s will significantly define what nostr becomes, and will outlast most. unless Will invents a scalar wave drive in his sleep and moves to Mars.

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You don't know about me and Digit though 😎

There is always that danger

Spot on. I’m literally here for the journey.

> Go slow and fix things is how real, lasting, open protocols that are worth something develop.

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What is the actual downsides to the fediverse? If anyone has resources for learning about it, I'm digging in this week because I've generally always avoided it.

If Lemmy had zaps, and by extension other federated social medias, would it not enable them with the same financial incentivizes we see on Nostr?

Nostr feels like it's caving under its own shortcomings, but us who use it regularly aren't going to just "give up" zaps.

We can't expect twitter or large platforms to integrate zaps, but why is the fediverse seemingly barren of them as well?

From what I gather, federations may have moderation policies that users disagree with.. but that leaves the door open for competitors, right? And I assume any instance can opt out of federating? Are there like different federations within the same ecosystem?

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and where you yet may fall.

invaluable secrets.

follow him, follow the way.

let him chasten and teach you

and keep you from mischief.

the world may hate him

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do not look for bad company

or live with men who do not care.

find friends who love the truth.

drink deeply. live in serenity and joy.

the wise man delights in the truth

and follows the law of the awakened.

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the fletcher whittles his arrows.

and the carpenter turns his wood.

so the wise man directs his mind.

the wind cannot shake a mountain.

neither praise nor blame moves the wise man.

he is clarity.

hearing the truth, he is like a lake,

pure and tranquil and deep."

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stay humble, stack sats, post notes AND ZAP THE GOOD STUFF!😃

#Nostr, just like #Bitcoin and any other freedom tech, requires a long-term investment of your time and energy in order to truly benefit from it.

If you want quick gains (read: willing to eventually get rugged), you’re welcome in the world shitcoins and walled garden social platforms.

#FreedomTech

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We early adopters of free protocols and so forth INSIST that free speech goes hand in hand with the freedom to transact and a sound & sovereign money.

Ultimately, you can't have one without the other.

Birds of a feather flock together, freedom technologies gravitate towards each other and mix like drops of water.

It's not the size of the pool but the quality of the water which matters.

A million pools in a million backyards beat one big toxic ocean.

Thanks for listening to my TED talk

Well said

Fabulously said.

# 👀☕🇧🇷GM

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself

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I agree with a lot of this, but decentralised social protocol ecosystems do collapse. It's important to ask why for example the SSB ecosystem collapsed and why the Mastodon ecosystem did not. And then look at where Nostr currently sits in terms of risk-of-collapse. SSB did have 30k daily actives spread across multiple clients at its peak. I don't think Nostr now faces the same risks as SSB did then; Nostr has a stronger immune system. But again, decentralised social protocols can and do collapse—in fact that's the norm—and always being aware of that fact can help steer things along in a healthier way.

and zap sats! ;)

go slow and fix things 🫡

Noice! I came here and dumped all my META BS. And Twitter. I have embraced the fediverse and have long been an open source nerd. For fun I setup a linux server with apache webserver to serve websites from my home with Dyndns since I couldn't get a static ip. That was 2012. Since then my geek has only grown. I have a pixelfed and hubzilla instance hosted currently. https://cdn.nostrcheck.me/ef7f31b0012cd51e6c2cfbc296316c21e6e2ace431d29f3eb5a4fadc6dc372fa/ae3a996fb937c683380c7b5922b6e8f2f91381a39dcfc64d69906a8467bf34a9.webp

In nature what grows fast has a short life (eg weeds). Otoh what lives long grows really slowly (eg baobab tree)

I think I was on there back when it was diaspora too but left pretty much instantly because there was no sign of a path to decentralization

Sadly the fediverse has been very successful in distracting people, and now so is Bluesky, so the stronger protocol has more of an uphill battle

Back to the front row of the ⭕️ for u🫡🫂

VC growth isn't realistic outside of fiat, anyway. I don't want Nostr to grow like them. It also results in insane tech debt and unintended consequences. Better to go slow and steady.

‘Go slow and fix things’ >> like it. Might steal it ;)

"a tiny place for fringe linux nerds, hackers, and artists"

So you was there too? I like to find new nyms that maybe meet each other in other place and time in the cypherspace. Always choose open protocols and free software if exist, identica was a good first step, diaspora was too big.

"Go slow and fix things is how real, lasting, open protocols that are worth something develop."

I added this to my favorites quotes.

Thanks to be and share here.

"Go slow and fix things is how real, lasting, open protocols that are worth something develop."

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