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me: monero is an awesome addition to bitcoin (it is), one for stacking, the other for private spending

the church of satoshi nakamoto of latter-day bitcoin saints:

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lol. not saying this about everyone, love my bitcoin fam, but it needs to be said that the 'toxic btc cult' reputation seems well earned for more than a few of you.

it's generally the one's who just parrot blanket 'btc is the saviour, everything else is a shitcoin' statements, don't speak with their own words, link to sources they don't really comprehend, think nostr is private, only recently learned why they need a vpn on the internet and don't actually understand how all this privacy stuff works.

harsh? yes. so have recent comments been. bring it. love the free speech.

again this is not for most of you #plebchain. most of you have level heads and still love bitcoin. i am an avid bitcoiner, but i don't drink the cool-aid and ignore it's shortcomings.

bitcoin is about freedom. privacy is essential for freedom. it is complicated to have privacy on a public ledger. bitcoin is an awesome store of value, but it needs a 2nd layer for greater privacy and to solve the fungibility problem. lightning is maturing. cashu is also maturing. monero solves the spend issue now with privacy baked in on a protocol level. it is currency. it's meant to be spent.

#cybersecgirl #privacytechpro #bitcoin #monero
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Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago 💬 9

All these Bitcoiners seem to think Monero is great too:

"Monero is a very good privacy complement to Bitcoin" -Nick Szabo

"Maybe you need a Monero" -Michael Saylor

"For really strong privacy, Monero is much better" -Andreas Antonopoulos

"There's a lot of advantages to using Monero" -Matt Odell

"Monero is the only goddamn currency that's used!" -John McAfee

"Monero will be a champion in that space and we'll have a Bitcoin-Monero duopoly" -Max Keiser

"All fiat systems and all tokens outside of Bitcoin and monero (to my knowledge) have middlemen you cannot get rid of" -Adam Curry

"I would say Monero is not a shitcoin. I think it's a very innovative and new research project that works." -Max Hillbrand

"Monero; Just use it. Objectively it's better than Bitcoin [for privacy]...it's obvious" -Amir Taaki

"Monero is closer to our hearts than whatever Bitcoin is turning into today" -Samourai Wallet

"Bitcoin is the reserve currency. Hold it. Privacy coins are transactional privacy. Use them...Monero: getmonero.org" -Balaji

"99% of cryptocurrencies are complete and total garbage, but even among the upper echeleon of real ones, Monero is in the top percentile, so it deserves our respect" -Paul Sztorc

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matata 1y ago 💬 1

Amir Taaki omg i have been searching for his name for a while now to find me an article i wanted to read back, i couldnt remember it THANK YOU

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Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Great cryptographer

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Luxas 1y ago 💬 1

I like Monero. Although, not sure how much I trust it since its founder is an FBI asset now.

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Ava 1y ago 💬 2

Here's a good article on those allegations.

https://beincrypto.com/monero-founder-refutes-allegations-interpol-trace-funds/

However, #Monero was designed with this threat in mind.

"The Monero Community today is decentralized, collaborative, and diverse. The continuous growth of Monero can be attributed to its Core Team, the Research Lab, workgroups, and volunteers. Most of them are anonymous, keeping true to their passion for privacy. Get to know some of the key people behind the number one privacy coin."

https://www.xmrwallet.com/blog/key-people-behind-monero.html

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Luxas 1y ago 💬 1

Yes, I saw all that unfold. But I don't believe it. When you're cornered, most people flip. It wouldn't surprise me if he still consulted with the feds despite "refuting it" on a Twitter post. Even Elon lies in Twitter posts lol. Plus, the whole reason this happened was because he seemed to be a unscrupulous person, charged with fraud...

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Ava 1y ago 💬 2

You have the right to your belief. I find comfort in the math and the fact that there are a lot of eyes on Monero's code. Any "privileged access" to Monero's code would found and be patched immediately.

"The founder defended Monero’s cryptography, saying he could not assist the government with “privileged access.” He said, “I have no privileged access to Monero’s code, GitHub repo, website, Twitter account, DNS records, donated funds, or anything else.”"

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Luxas 1y ago 💬 1

For sure. I don't doubt the code, I doubt the person.

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Matt 1y ago 💬 2

You're contradicting yourself. You're the one who mentioned not trusting Monero (code) because of a person. If you don't doubt the code, why does that person influence your trust of Monero? That doesn't make sense.

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Luxas 1y ago

Has an unprecedented amount of insight into the chain and could assist the feds in deobfuscation techniques, etc.

I still stand by what I said.

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crimsonleaf363 1y ago 💬 2

You don't understand Monero or why the math matters.

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Luxas 1y ago 💬 1

I suggest reading these:

https://github.com/insight-decentralized-consensus-lab/post-quantum-monero

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1495/what-privacy-issues-did-monero-have-and-still-has/1496

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crany 👽🧡🗿 1y ago

tldr: clear net monero protocol has a known open attack vectors

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Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

The last link is almost 8 years old...all issues have been long addressed with RingCT, enforced default ring size, etc with FCMP++ around the corner resolving any remaining issues with rings

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Ava 1y ago 💬 1

I treat this the same way I do influencer accusations that Satoshi Nakamoto was actually a CIA agent. The code is open with lots of very smart privacy advocates eyes on it who develop it in a way that it is dev greed and sabotage proof. That's the beautiful thing about cryptography, math doesn't rely on trust or lie.

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Matt 1y ago

Exactly. It doesn't really matter who created it. Disappearing is one of the best things Satoshi did. Humans focus too much on people rather than ideas and fundamental principles.

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curt finch 1y ago 💬 1

how many nodes are running? mining?

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Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago 💬 1

https://monero.fail/map

https://bitnodes.io/

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curt finch 1y ago 💬 1

the second one is about Bitcoin not monero

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Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Yes, I know, I just included for comparison

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Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

If you mean Fluffy, he is not the founder/creator of Monero...not that it really matters, but what makes you think he is involved with the FBI?

Not to mention the code is open source. It's the third largest crypto project in terms of developers and eyes on the code just behind Bitcoin and Ethereum.

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Matt 1y ago

I'm not convinced that it is very private if you're just swapping in and out of things that aren't at all private (most people are). That's always been my problem with it. It isn't a good store of value, so it doesn't incentivize people to stay in it fully. The on and off ramp data is quite telling, as meta data usually is. That's really where I think Bitcoin privacy issues mostly exist anyway (on and off ramps). Fixing that, in my opinion, leaves little reason to use Monero given it's economic design and self-induced security limitations on the network.

I do support the mission though. Frankly, this technology is still relatively young and the top players (just Bitcoin and Monero in my opinion) can make each other better if we cooperate and improve. I'd call myself a Monero fan overall, and I'm certainly in the Bitcoin Maxi camp.

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inpc 1y ago 💬 1

You missed off "If I wanted to buy shitloads of crack online, fuck using btc, Monero is the better tool for the job" - inpc

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Ava 1y ago 💬 2

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Derek Ross 1y ago 💬 2

GM Ava! Monero is a shitcoin 🥹

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inpc 1y ago 💬 1

Horses for courses….

Say you wanted to buy a tank and some phat armour penetrating missiles for the garden but your name isn’t Benjamin Netanyahu, how would you go about it?

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Ambitioushumanbeing 1y ago

Followed #plebchain

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CitizenPleb 1y ago

The lightning network doesn’t work at Chuck E Cheese.

Ohhh burrrn roasted 🔥

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ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago 💬 1

I listen and value argumentations and facts, I dont trust bitcoin maxis and, in the end, dont trust out of contex quotes of bitcoin maxis.

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Ava 1y ago

Critical thinking is an important skill. Thanks for sharing.

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Saberhagen The Nameless 1y ago

Who is telling anyone to trust anything because of quotes? We can go in circles argumentation and facts all day, but you just seem to have a massive Monero chip on your shoulder.

Please show us the full quotes to show how they are "out of context". You can't because they're not.