I want to support a 1BTC bounty for the first vibe-coded twitter-like client for Android to compete directly with Amethyst.

Best vibe coded app by November wins.

Who could organize this, gather, source the funds and assemble the evaluation comitee?

Rules:

- It must be fully vibe coded. No look at the code.

- It must be a native and real app that people can download and install.

- It must use Amber to login

- It must use Pokey for notifications

- it must offer zaps via Nostr Wallet Connect.

Other donors can add more rules.

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What do you mean no look at the code?

You don't code. You can only prompt an AI to code for you. No reviews from what the AI does.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggg

Hahaha

Refactoring is my jam!

Why would one write in an inferior natural language when inherently superior programming languages are available, unless when talking to another human?

KMP is okay?

Yep

I think first one isn't fair. . vibe code doesn't mean you can't look at code .. and there is no way to test it either 😕

impossible, both to judge and to do. vibe code is just a meme. literally no one, never touches code. 🤔

Cool initiative! Native as in no Flutter, React Native, etc? (I’m not participating, just curious)

Unsure. I just don't want PWAs.

I can’t deal with the experience of a PWA.

+1 to that

How verify vibed?

"What's the tech stack?"

"Oh basic stuff, it's kotlin and-"

FAIL

Gotta start somewhere right? Share your ideas if they seem reasonable to you.

Maybe HRF can help facilitate. Would need to discuss with the boss man.

I am a big fan of bounties. You can use the recipe for different apps that are more aligned to what activists need.

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thx for tagging!

even though i use ai, i don't really like this 'vibecode' thing. if it's my product and i take responsibility for it, i cannot release it without reading the code 🤷🏻‍♂️

if this was just a building client contest, i would participate with qiqstr :)

yeah i totally agree and understand. the vibe coding culture is becoming more about quick fix shipping and no longer about the art of code. :)

To be clear, I do not have 1BTC for this. We will need to find the money.

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I got 250k sats on this

😂

KEK

Sell your chairs 🪑

bro lmfao

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lmfao ok there we go 🆒

Only thing I don't know is how'd you'd confirm it was 100% vibed.

And as someone who does probably 98% vibe, even I think sometimes you do need to look at the code.

Usually vibe apps have a historical context somewhere.

You’d have to make the rules subjective though; there are so many ways to game something like this that assessing whether it’s legit is on a case by case basis

Why throw 1BTC at "code it with your hands tied behind your back"? What's the goal? Get more people into vibe coding?

Anyway, you might wan to work with nostr:npub16g4umvwj2pduqc8kt2rv6heq2vhvtulyrsr2a20d4suldwnkl4hquekv4h for this.

The goal is to see if AI can break our monopoly on Android.

Peak Idiocy

how do you check that they didn't cheat and looked at the code?

maybe Vitor is trying to bet that this isn't yet possible, maybe it is.

It's hard but I think the committee can have some say in a subjective way.

The biggest challenge is context integration - note that the requirement is asking for at least 3 integrations here (other stuff not mentioned).

Question is, do we have a LLM that can do all of that, with a large enough context window or does someone just need write a super prompter revised 1000x times to make it work.

LLMs aren't consistent, we don't know exactly the path the neural networks will take. This is the issue with all of AI, it bound to be unpredictable and its not consistently reproducible.

Which makes it more like Biochemistry than EECS. And if you've ever done work in a wet lab you know physical lab science can be H-E-L-L

I must say putting out a challenge is a great way to do R&D without having to do it yourself 🤓 🤓

What is Amber and where do I get it from?.i could not find it in the playstore!

Zapstore

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Me encantaria encararlo, pero no tengo ni tiempo 😅 ademas no tengo el harware sufiente para montar apps mobile jaja

Ofa, ojalá alguno pueda

Cero tiempo… y parece hasta más difícil de lograr hecha solo con Vibe Coding.

Dice que no tiene el BTC. Que la idea es conseguirlo. Por cierto, justamente hace apps es algo que no eh visto que se pueda vibe-codear. Porque tenes que compilarlo en cada intento supongo

Andy cambia momentáneamente tu dirección para recibir sats ya que Lawallet está en mantenimiento

"- It must be fully vibe coded. No look at the code. "

how can you be sure of that ? in a trustable way ?

No need to be sure. Just 90% sure is enough. AI leaks a lot of signs everywhere in the codebase.

you means an extra-garbage-useless code AI generated is better for that ?

😅

Anyway it is a very interesting challenge 😉

so, a contest that is both a bounty and a nebulous set of un enforceable rules..

remember when google interviews didnt let you use internet to answer? guess who got all the jobs

(the cheaters did)

I am not sure what you want. There won't be a way to be sure a code was vibe coded or not. We can only follow the development and trust people. It's fine. As long as we get some real competition for Amethyst.

What is your favorite tool to vide code?

It's possible. But it's hard. The best way to guarantee this is creating a interface for AI with guardrails to not expose the code. It's possible. It's hard.

Also, we should define some points like: OWASP, minimum tasks (Twitter like is a little broad, what's the minimum accepted), also, is the code opensource available?

You can’t possibly verify the vibe code only requirement.

In fact code that is reviewed by a competent human is way better than LLM only code.

Maybe we ask the applicant to only submit a sequence of prompts to rebuild the app.

I am a developer.

Your request won’t work.

Custom code and fixing the AI mistakes will be needed.

No one will deliver your features.

Change the requirement to a percentage and many will.

80% 20% is optimistic but possible. Meaning 80% AI Vibe code with prompts to show it. 20% human code.

I am also a developer. The tests I made generate Amethyst quite closely to a light kind 1 client without looking at the code. All the applicant needs to do is to setup the AI to finish the rest. I believe that is possible in 6 months of time. If not, we can still choose the closest to the target.

Well perhaps by the end of the year.

I wouldn’t even waste my time trying now.

Good luck.

Hopefully. The goal is November after all..

You can just write the darn thing in 6 months, what is even the point of requiring the use of AI at all?

hmmm i don't code ... but i do vibe code...may do this.

cool project and bounty

i also noticed vibe coding the last days

Which tools do you recommend ?

This is ridiculous. It would be unstable, insecure, unmaintainable slop. What is the point?

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Or 1 BTC that everyone's crazy about?

That doesn't seem 1BTC-hard

It's very hard to beat Amethyst. Lots of people tried. All failed. Maybe AI can do it.

Is "better than Amethyst" a requirement?

I guess not yet, but that is the goal

Certainly tempting. Let me know if there are backers

let me get this right - I generate the best slow and you give me 1 BTC?

am I understanding this correctly?

Slow? It should be better than Amethyst if you want to compete with it.

slop*

I generate the best slop*

😂

And then as fast as it is complete it becomes an unmaintainable mess

🎯

How do you make sure it is fully vibe coded?